From akbar501 at dslextreme.com  Tue Feb  8 09:44:25 2005
From: akbar501 at dslextreme.com (Akbar S. Ahmed)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:44:25 -0800
Subject: [cAos] UTF-8 Support in MySQL or PostgreSQL (CentOS 3.3)
Message-ID: <4208FA79.3020302@dslextreme.com>

Hi,

Do the RPMs of either MySQL or PostgreSQL in the addons directory for 
CentOS 3.3 support UTF-8?

I presume this information is in the .spec file, but I was unable to 
located the SRPMs used to create the binaries.

Thanks in advance,
Akbar



From herrold at owlriver.com  Wed Feb  9 11:41:07 2005
From: herrold at owlriver.com (R P Herrold)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 14:41:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [cAos] full-d] Administrivia: List Compromised due to Mailman
 Vulnerability (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0502091436040.8550@swampfox.owlriver.com>


Sorry for the cross post, but this is an important one 
potentially affecting all recipients.

This just crossed the Full Disclosure mailman moderated 
mailing list.  It bears a careful read, and thought about 
whether a response is needed.

The implication is that if there is any use of a mailman 
password in common with a password you 'care' about, you need 
to take appropriate action at once.  Also some backends merge 
Bugzilla and mailman password stores, which can cause 
unexpected secondary effects.

I have not seen a patch yet, and so one has to assume that the 
configs and passwords for all mailman moderated mailing lists 
are compromised.  Once a fix issues, Mailman moderators will 
want to do a global password change, and local list 
modification.

-- Russ Herrold


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:15:02 +0000
From: John Cartwright <johnc at grok.org.uk>
To: full-disclosure at lists.netsys.com
Subject: full-d]  Administrivia: List Compromised due to Mailman  Vulnerability

Hi

On 7th February 2005 I was notified of a number of potentially -
compromised Full-Disclosure subscriber accounts. Following an
investigation it appears that the Mailman configuration database was
obtained from lists.netsys.com on 2nd January 2005 using a remote
directory traversal exploit for a previously unpublished
vulnerability in Mailman 2.1.5.

Subscriber addresses and passwords have been compromised. All list
members are advised to change their password immediately. There do
not appear to be further signs of intrusion although investigations
continue.

The vulnerability lies in the Mailman/Cgi/private.py file:

def true_path(path):
     "Ensure that the path is safe by removing .."
     path = path.replace('../', '')
     path = path.replace('./', '')
     return path[1:]

A crafted URL fragment of the form ".../....///" will pass through the
above function and return as "../", thus allowing directory traversal
to occur using the following URL syntax to retrieve an arbitrary path.

/mailman/private/<list>/<path>?username=<username>&password=<password>

Expect vendor advisories nearer the end of the week, for now here is a
suggested fix from Barry Warsaw:

SLASH = '/'

def true_path(path):
     "Ensure that the path is safe by removing .."
     parts = [x for x in path.split(SLASH) if x not in ('.', '..')]
     return SLASH.join(parts)[1:]

This issue only affects Mailman installations running on web servers
that don't strip extraneous slashes from URLs, such as Apache 1.3.x.

The Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures project (cve.mitre.org) has
assigned the name CAN-2005-0202 to this mailman issue.

Cheers
- John
_______________________________________________
Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html


From herrold at owlriver.com  Wed Feb  9 12:52:24 2005
From: herrold at owlriver.com (R P Herrold)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:52:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [cAos] Re: centos] full-d] Administrivia: List Compromised due to
 Mailman Vulnerability (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <1107978813.4617.2.camel@cutter>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0502091436040.8550@swampfox.owlriver.com>
	<1107978813.4617.2.camel@cutter>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0502091552050.2931@swampfox.owlriver.com>

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, seth vidal wrote:

> the patch to mailman came out weeks ago unless this is a new password
> exposure bug.

This is new

-- Russ Herrold


From julia at runlevelzero.net  Wed Feb  9 15:34:49 2005
From: julia at runlevelzero.net (julia kurtzer)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 15:34:49 -0800
Subject: [cAos] full-d] Administrivia: List Compromised due to Mailman
	Vulnerability (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0502091436040.8550@swampfox.owlriver.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0502091436040.8550@swampfox.owlriver.com>
Message-ID: <705f04b7f3b29a79592c36ddeece0caa@runlevelzero.net>

what the fuck did you say? if its so damn important, why dont you SPEAK 
ENGLISH
J

On Feb 9, 2005, at 11:41 AM, R P Herrold wrote:

>
> Sorry for the cross post, but this is an important one potentially 
> affecting all recipients.
>
> This just crossed the Full Disclosure mailman moderated mailing list.  
> It bears a careful read, and thought about whether a response is 
> needed.
>
> The implication is that if there is any use of a mailman password in 
> common with a password you 'care' about, you need to take appropriate 
> action at once.  Also some backends merge Bugzilla and mailman 
> password stores, which can cause unexpected secondary effects.
>
> I have not seen a patch yet, and so one has to assume that the configs 
> and passwords for all mailman moderated mailing lists are compromised. 
>  Once a fix issues, Mailman moderators will want to do a global 
> password change, and local list modification.
>
> -- Russ Herrold
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 18:15:02 +0000
> From: John Cartwright <johnc at grok.org.uk>
> To: full-disclosure at lists.netsys.com
> Subject: full-d]  Administrivia: List Compromised due to Mailman  
> Vulnerability
>
> Hi
>
> On 7th February 2005 I was notified of a number of potentially -
> compromised Full-Disclosure subscriber accounts. Following an
> investigation it appears that the Mailman configuration database was
> obtained from lists.netsys.com on 2nd January 2005 using a remote
> directory traversal exploit for a previously unpublished
> vulnerability in Mailman 2.1.5.
>
> Subscriber addresses and passwords have been compromised. All list
> members are advised to change their password immediately. There do
> not appear to be further signs of intrusion although investigations
> continue.
>
> The vulnerability lies in the Mailman/Cgi/private.py file:
>
> def true_path(path):
>     "Ensure that the path is safe by removing .."
>     path = path.replace('../', '')
>     path = path.replace('./', '')
>     return path[1:]
>
> A crafted URL fragment of the form ".../....///" will pass through the
> above function and return as "../", thus allowing directory traversal
> to occur using the following URL syntax to retrieve an arbitrary path.
>
> /mailman/private/<list>/<path>?username=<username>&password=<password>
>
> Expect vendor advisories nearer the end of the week, for now here is a
> suggested fix from Barry Warsaw:
>
> SLASH = '/'
>
> def true_path(path):
>     "Ensure that the path is safe by removing .."
>     parts = [x for x in path.split(SLASH) if x not in ('.', '..')]
>     return SLASH.join(parts)[1:]
>
> This issue only affects Mailman installations running on web servers
> that don't strip extraneous slashes from URLs, such as Apache 1.3.x.
>
> The Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures project (cve.mitre.org) has
> assigned the name CAN-2005-0202 to this mailman issue.
>
> Cheers
> - John
> _______________________________________________
> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
> Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
> _______________________________________________
> cAos mailing list
> cAos at caosity.org
> http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/caos
>



From herrold at owlriver.com  Wed Feb  9 17:03:46 2005
From: herrold at owlriver.com (R P Herrold)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 20:03:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos] full-d] Administrivia: List Compromised due to
 Mailman Vulnerability (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <705f04b7f3b29a79592c36ddeece0caa@runlevelzero.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0502091436040.8550@swampfox.owlriver.com>
	<705f04b7f3b29a79592c36ddeece0caa@runlevelzero.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0502092000460.8634@swampfox.owlriver.com>

On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, julia kurtzer wrote:

> what the fuck did you say? if its so damn important, why dont you SPEAK 
> ENGLISH
> J
> 
> On Feb 9, 2005, at 11:41 AM, R P Herrold wrote:
> >
> > Sorry for the cross post, but this is an important one potentially 
> > affecting all recipients.

Have we been introduced to start a relationship by profanity?

An exploit has made all Mailman passwords available to 
potentially hostile people.

Some people use a Mailman password on others accounts which 
may have access to sensitive data as well.

People who may have done so, need to alter the sensitive 
passwords at once.

-- Russ Herrold


From landman at scalableinformatics.com  Wed Feb  9 17:10:32 2005
From: landman at scalableinformatics.com (Joe Landman)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2005 20:10:32 -0500
Subject: [cAos] Re: centos] full-d] Administrivia: List Compromised due
	to Mailman Vulnerability (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0502091552050.2931@swampfox.owlriver.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0502091436040.8550@swampfox.owlriver.com>	<1107978813.4617.2.camel@cutter>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0502091552050.2931@swampfox.owlriver.com>
Message-ID: <420AB488.5010405@scalableinformatics.com>

Hi Russ:

   Way OT: could you send me a quick pointer on this (URL perfect) so I 
can send it on to some folks I know running a large mail system?  Thanks

Joe

R P Herrold wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Feb 2005, seth vidal wrote:
> 
>> the patch to mailman came out weeks ago unless this is a new password
>> exposure bug.
> 
> This is new
> 
> -- Russ Herrold
> _______________________________________________
> cAos mailing list
> cAos at caosity.org
> http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/caos

-- 
Joseph Landman, Ph.D
Founder and CEO
Scalable Informatics LLC,
email: landman at scalableinformatics.com
web  : http://www.scalableinformatics.com
phone: +1 734 786 8423
fax  : +1 734 786 8452
cell : +1 734 612 4615


From rick at linuxmafia.com  Wed Feb  9 17:19:55 2005
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:19:55 -0800
Subject: [cAos] Re: centos] full-d] Administrivia: List Compromised due to
	Mailman Vulnerability (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <420AB488.5010405@scalableinformatics.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0502091436040.8550@swampfox.owlriver.com>
	<1107978813.4617.2.camel@cutter>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0502091552050.2931@swampfox.owlriver.com>
	<420AB488.5010405@scalableinformatics.com>
Message-ID: <20050210011955.GI28148@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Joe Landman (landman at scalableinformatics.com):

> Hi Russ:
> 
>   Way OT: could you send me a quick pointer on this (URL perfect) so I 
> can send it on to some folks I know running a large mail system?  Thanks

Here's the pertinent URL that has patch code for
~mailman/Mailman/Cgi/private.py

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-February/042533.html



From julia at runlevelzero.net  Wed Feb  9 17:29:50 2005
From: julia at runlevelzero.net (julia kurtzer)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:29:50 -0800
Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos] full-d] Administrivia: List Compromised due to
	Mailman Vulnerability (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0502092000460.8634@swampfox.owlriver.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0502091436040.8550@swampfox.owlriver.com>
	<705f04b7f3b29a79592c36ddeece0caa@runlevelzero.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0502092000460.8634@swampfox.owlriver.com>
Message-ID: <d284a3141dfde24286f4b65368640f15@runlevelzero.net>


On Feb 9, 2005, at 5:03 PM, R P Herrold wrote:

> Have we been introduced to start a relationship by profanity?

s'up girlfriend...
>
> An exploit has made all Mailman passwords available to potentially 
> hostile people.
>

didnt know they were secure in the first place

J



From rick at linuxmafia.com  Wed Feb  9 17:38:00 2005
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:38:00 -0800
Subject: [cAos] Re: centos] full-d] Administrivia: List Compromised due to
	Mailman Vulnerability (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <20050210011955.GI28148@linuxmafia.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0502091436040.8550@swampfox.owlriver.com>
	<1107978813.4617.2.camel@cutter>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0502091552050.2931@swampfox.owlriver.com>
	<420AB488.5010405@scalableinformatics.com>
	<20050210011955.GI28148@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <20050210013800.GK28148@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Rick Moen (rick at linuxmafia.com):

> Here's the pertinent URL that has patch code for
> ~mailman/Mailman/Cgi/private.py
> 
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2005-February/042533.html

In case anyone needs to see further details, here's the CVE entry:
http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2005-0202



From rick at linuxmafia.com  Wed Feb  9 17:40:00 2005
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 17:40:00 -0800
Subject: [cAos] Re: centos] full-d] Administrivia: List Compromised due to
	Mailman Vulnerability (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <20050210013800.GK28148@linuxmafia.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0502091436040.8550@swampfox.owlriver.com>
	<1107978813.4617.2.camel@cutter>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0502091552050.2931@swampfox.owlriver.com>
	<420AB488.5010405@scalableinformatics.com>
	<20050210011955.GI28148@linuxmafia.com>
	<20050210013800.GK28148@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <20050210014000.GL28148@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Rick Moen (rick at linuxmafia.com):

> In case anyone needs to see further details, here's the CVE entry:
> http://www.cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CAN-2005-0202

{embarrassed}

...which turns out to be pointless, because it's a placeholder stub
entry.  However, here's something more useful:  
http://lwn.net/Articles/122818/


From mattboston at gmail.com  Wed Feb 16 04:37:37 2005
From: mattboston at gmail.com (Matt Shields)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:37:37 -0500
Subject: [cAos] LinuxWorld Expo Update
Message-ID: <1007169205021604373506779b@mail.gmail.com>

Well, the first day was interesting. We a variety of questions from
why do we do this, what's going on with RH, how come this is the first
I've heard of you.  And hundreds more.  The good thing is that we've
recieve a very positive response from everyone that visited our booth.
 Such a positive response that all our CentOS CD's are gone, and most
of the cAos CD's are gone, and I've only got a few CentOS DVD's left.

So if anyone can magically make 500 or 600 CentOS CD's magically
appear, that would be great.  :-> Anyway, I'll try to keep everyone
posted during the day.  Time to go back to the convention center.


-- 
Matt Shields
http://masnetworks.biz
http://sexydates4u.com
http://shieldslinux.com
http://shieldsmedia.com (currently under construction)
http://shieldsproductions.com (currently under construction)


From gillian.bennett at celentia.com  Wed Feb 16 04:49:38 2005
From: gillian.bennett at celentia.com (gillianb)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:49:38 +1000
Subject: [cAos] LinuxWorld Expo Update
In-Reply-To: <1007169205021604373506779b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1007169205021604373506779b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42134162.70004@celentia.com>

that is great news!!! Well done guys ;)

Matt Shields wrote:
> Well, the first day was interesting. We a variety of questions from
> why do we do this, what's going on with RH, how come this is the first
> I've heard of you.  And hundreds more.  The good thing is that we've
> recieve a very positive response from everyone that visited our booth.
>  Such a positive response that all our CentOS CD's are gone, and most
> of the cAos CD's are gone, and I've only got a few CentOS DVD's left.
> 
> So if anyone can magically make 500 or 600 CentOS CD's magically
> appear, that would be great.  :-> Anyway, I'll try to keep everyone
> posted during the day.  Time to go back to the convention center.
> 
> 


From mattboston at gmail.com  Wed Feb 16 07:01:40 2005
From: mattboston at gmail.com (Matt Shields)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:01:40 -0500
Subject: [cAos] Re: LinuxWorld Expo Update
In-Reply-To: <1007169205021604373506779b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1007169205021604373506779b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <10071692050216070169509c22@mail.gmail.com>

I should also add that, normally (actually always) I wear a hat.  I
tend to prefer the Old Navy hats.  Well, yesterday before heading out
to the show I grabbed my current Old Navy ballcap, not thinking much
about it.  So while at the show a lot of people were talking about the
whole RH thing, and quite a few people that it was pretty funny that I
was wearing a red hat.  It wasn't planned, but it was pretty funny :->

-- 
Matt Shields
http://masnetworks.biz
http://sexydates4u.com
http://shieldslinux.com
http://shieldsmedia.com (currently under construction)
http://shieldsproductions.com (currently under construction)


On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:37:37 -0500, Matt Shields <mattboston at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, the first day was interesting. We a variety of questions from
> why do we do this, what's going on with RH, how come this is the first
> I've heard of you.  And hundreds more.  The good thing is that we've
> recieve a very positive response from everyone that visited our booth.
>  Such a positive response that all our CentOS CD's are gone, and most
> of the cAos CD's are gone, and I've only got a few CentOS DVD's left.
> 
> So if anyone can magically make 500 or 600 CentOS CD's magically
> appear, that would be great.  :-> Anyway, I'll try to keep everyone
> posted during the day.  Time to go back to the convention center.
> 
> 
> --
> Matt Shields
> http://masnetworks.biz
> http://sexydates4u.com
> http://shieldslinux.com
> http://shieldsmedia.com (currently under construction)
> http://shieldsproductions.com (currently under construction)
>


From julia at runlevelzero.net  Wed Feb 16 08:21:24 2005
From: julia at runlevelzero.net (julia kurtzer)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:21:24 -0800
Subject: [cAos] LinuxWorld Expo Update
In-Reply-To: <42134162.70004@celentia.com>
References: <1007169205021604373506779b@mail.gmail.com>
	<42134162.70004@celentia.com>
Message-ID: <4a1b13b646c2f3fa5162a7a8028cc619@runlevelzero.net>


On Feb 16, 2005, at 4:49 AM, gillianb wrote:

> that is great news!!! Well done guys ;)
>



oh yes, quite fabulous, lets be known not for a great product, but for 
whining and bitching about another company.
next time you guys get your panties in a bunch, try to pull it out 
privately

J



> Matt Shields wrote:
>> Well, the first day was interesting. We a variety of questions from
>> why do we do this, what's going on with RH, how come this is the first
>> I've heard of you.  And hundreds more.  The good thing is that we've
>> recieve a very positive response from everyone that visited our booth.
>>  Such a positive response that all our CentOS CD's are gone, and most
>> of the cAos CD's are gone, and I've only got a few CentOS DVD's left.
>> So if anyone can magically make 500 or 600 CentOS CD's magically
>> appear, that would be great.  :-> Anyway, I'll try to keep everyone
>> posted during the day.  Time to go back to the convention center.
> _______________________________________________
> cAos mailing list
> cAos at caosity.org
> http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/caos
>



From m.fernandez at sunsetbeachclub.com  Wed Feb 16 08:36:54 2005
From: m.fernandez at sunsetbeachclub.com (=?us-ascii?Q?Miguel_Angel_Fernandez?=)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:36:54 +0100
Subject: [cAos] LinuxWorld Expo Update
In-Reply-To: <4a1b13b646c2f3fa5162a7a8028cc619@runlevelzero.net>
Message-ID: <EFEPIALONBGPCCFCCEIJIEHHBHAB.m.fernandez@sunsetbeachclub.com>

Did'nt got ya how Free Software works, don't ya? 

Go outside and do your homework prior to blame anybody.

Best Regards.

Miguel Angel Fernandez
mad_gcc

-----Mensaje original-----
De: caos-bounces at caosity.org [mailto:caos-bounces at caosity.org]En nombre
de julia kurtzer
Enviado el: miercoles, 16 de febrero de 2005 17:21
Para: Community Assembled OS
Asunto: Re: [cAos] LinuxWorld Expo Update



On Feb 16, 2005, at 4:49 AM, gillianb wrote:

> that is great news!!! Well done guys ;)
>



oh yes, quite fabulous, lets be known not for a great product, but for 
whining and bitching about another company.
next time you guys get your panties in a bunch, try to pull it out 
privately

J



> Matt Shields wrote:
>> Well, the first day was interesting. We a variety of questions from
>> why do we do this, what's going on with RH, how come this is the first
>> I've heard of you.  And hundreds more.  The good thing is that we've
>> recieve a very positive response from everyone that visited our booth.
>>  Such a positive response that all our CentOS CD's are gone, and most
>> of the cAos CD's are gone, and I've only got a few CentOS DVD's left.
>> So if anyone can magically make 500 or 600 CentOS CD's magically
>> appear, that would be great.  :-> Anyway, I'll try to keep everyone
>> posted during the day.  Time to go back to the convention center.
> _______________________________________________
> cAos mailing list
> cAos at caosity.org
> http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/caos
>

_______________________________________________
cAos mailing list
cAos at caosity.org
http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/caos



From julia at runlevelzero.net  Thu Feb 17 20:25:06 2005
From: julia at runlevelzero.net (julia kurtzer)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 20:25:06 -0800
Subject: [cAos] slashdot and LinuxWorld Expo 
In-Reply-To: <EFEPIALONBGPCCFCCEIJIEHHBHAB.m.fernandez@sunsetbeachclub.com>
References: <EFEPIALONBGPCCFCCEIJIEHHBHAB.m.fernandez@sunsetbeachclub.com>
Message-ID: <7d215c6ae551bc8a734708d508bde712@runlevelzero.net>


On Feb 16, 2005, at 8:36 AM, Miguel Angel Fernandez wrote:

> Did'nt got ya how Free Software works, don't ya?

I'm sorry I dont understand that sentence exactly, but I'm  guessing 
you're referring to the publicity recently gained by announcing the red 
hat trademark issue. As I understand it, this foundation is based on 
cooperation,  and that extends to every aspect, whether supporter or 
competition.


 > Go outside and do your homework

You're right there, I will do that, however my issue is that some 
people didn't do their homework before acting.
Take this red hat issue for instance. There was a lot more to the story 
then the email that was on slashdot.  All of the sudden people are 
hearing of these projects for the first time and it is not because of 
the code. You never know when having a friend in the business will come 
in handy, and publishing something which projects a false image about 
them is not the way to form relations that could be beneficial in the 
future. Not to mention the current relationship has to be considered 
and respected.


>  prior to blame anybody.


I'm not blaming anyone, and it doesn't matter who put what on the 
website and who submitted something to slashdot or even what the 
motivation was. What came of it was unnecessary commotion that will 
hopefully be replaced with excitement and interest.


J



From m.fernandez at sunsetbeachclub.com  Fri Feb 18 00:46:11 2005
From: m.fernandez at sunsetbeachclub.com (=?us-ascii?Q?Miguel_Angel_Fernandez?=)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:46:11 +0100
Subject: [cAos] slashdot and LinuxWorld Expo 
In-Reply-To: <7d215c6ae551bc8a734708d508bde712@runlevelzero.net>
Message-ID: <EFEPIALONBGPCCFCCEIJKEFGBLAB.m.fernandez@sunsetbeachclub.com>

First of all, excuse for my poor english, writing that phrase.

All I wanted to say is that RedHat, or whatever GNU/Linux packer/publisher
you may mention, is getting benefits from the work of a *huge* community of
developers. Free (as in free speech) Software works like this: "I code, I
release, you take, you modifiy, I get your modifications.  We now have
better software. We benefit".

In your previous post, the one that caused my rude response (sorry again),
you stated that the CentOS project, and by extension, all projects related
to taking sources and making *completely free* redistributions, are only
repackaging work from others. Yes, you are right. This is only a way how GPL
licensed software works. If you take it, you have to play by the rules.
Nobody forced you to follow that path.

Maybe there are a couple of things questionable whith this affair, but
globally, there is *nothing* wrong with the behavior of RedHat, in this
case. They are protecting their IP, related to trade names and logos. In the
USA, if you do not enforce the protection of this kind of IP, you lose it.
In Europe, you are the owner *allways*. It does not matter if you enforce
the protection or not. It's yours. Period.

Best Regards.

Miguel Angel Fernandez


-----Mensaje original-----
De: caos-bounces at caosity.org [mailto:caos-bounces at caosity.org]En nombre
de julia kurtzer
Enviado el: viernes, 18 de febrero de 2005 5:25
Para: Community Assembled OS
Asunto: [cAos] slashdot and LinuxWorld Expo



On Feb 16, 2005, at 8:36 AM, Miguel Angel Fernandez wrote:

> Did'nt got ya how Free Software works, don't ya?

I'm sorry I dont understand that sentence exactly, but I'm  guessing
you're referring to the publicity recently gained by announcing the red
hat trademark issue. As I understand it, this foundation is based on
cooperation,  and that extends to every aspect, whether supporter or
competition.


 > Go outside and do your homework

You're right there, I will do that, however my issue is that some
people didn't do their homework before acting.
Take this red hat issue for instance. There was a lot more to the story
then the email that was on slashdot.  All of the sudden people are
hearing of these projects for the first time and it is not because of
the code. You never know when having a friend in the business will come
in handy, and publishing something which projects a false image about
them is not the way to form relations that could be beneficial in the
future. Not to mention the current relationship has to be considered
and respected.


>  prior to blame anybody.


I'm not blaming anyone, and it doesn't matter who put what on the
website and who submitted something to slashdot or even what the
motivation was. What came of it was unnecessary commotion that will
hopefully be replaced with excitement and interest.


J

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From mike at CamaroSS.net  Fri Feb 18 05:34:38 2005
From: mike at CamaroSS.net (Mike Kercher)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 07:34:38 -0600
Subject: [cAos] slashdot and LinuxWorld Expo
In-Reply-To: <EFEPIALONBGPCCFCCEIJKEFGBLAB.m.fernandez@sunsetbeachclub.com>
Message-ID: <200502181334.j1IDYXRV008828@avwall2.bladeware.com>

Miguel Angel Fernandez wrote:
> First of all, excuse for my poor english, writing that phrase.
> 

Taking this in another direction for a moment, I just want to say that IMHO,
there is no need for anyone to apologize for their "poor English".  Anyone
that speaks a language OTHER than English as their native tongue does a much
better job writing in English than *I* could do in French, Spanish, German,
Portugese...whatever.  

Mike



From mattboston at gmail.com  Fri Feb 18 08:36:03 2005
From: mattboston at gmail.com (Matt Shields)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:36:03 -0500
Subject: [cAos] Lessons Learned from LinuxWorld Expo
Message-ID: <10071692050218083679608c1d@mail.gmail.com>

I have just published a article (http://masnetworks.biz/node/20) about
exhibiting at LinuxWorld Expo and the lessons learned.

I heard some talk about some interest in doing the San Fran show. 
Please feel free to contact me for any suggestions, help, CD's & DVD's
etc.

-- 
Matt Shields
http://masnetworks.biz
http://sexydates4u.com
http://shieldslinux.com
http://shieldsmedia.com (currently under construction)
http://shieldsproductions.com (currently under construction)


From gmk at runlevelzero.net  Fri Feb 18 09:10:31 2005
From: gmk at runlevelzero.net (Greg M. Kurtzer)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:10:31 -0800
Subject: [cAos] Lessons Learned from LinuxWorld Expo
In-Reply-To: <10071692050218083679608c1d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <10071692050218083679608c1d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050218171031.GA9687@titan.runlevelzero.net>

On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 11:36:03AM -0500, Matt Shields wrote:
> I have just published a article (http://masnetworks.biz/node/20) about
> exhibiting at LinuxWorld Expo and the lessons learned.
> 
> I heard some talk about some interest in doing the San Fran show. 
> Please feel free to contact me for any suggestions, help, CD's & DVD's
> etc.

Excellent writeup! And thank you very much for hosting the booth. I hope it
was at least entertaining and fun for you. I like hosting booths because it
gives a great opportunity to interface directly with the public. I have talked 
to some of my peers that were there and they said you guys did a great job,
and the booth was busy.

At the SF show last summer, we didn't come with any pre-burnt CDROMS, nor
documents, nor banners. We may have looked amateurish, but we still made some 
good contacts.

Your points about funding limitations are very valid. Hopefully by the next
show, we will be able to afford to print some fliers, and maybe even
(hopefully) bring in some developers/contributors. Also as you suggested,
leveraging sponsors for CDROMS and maybe other swag may be very beneficial.
Anyone on the list that can help here should contact me. ;)

As a matter of fact, if anyone wants to be part of next summer's LWE in SF,
let me know. Booking travel plans very early can usually get very discounted
rates.

So Matt... Are you going to do it again next year? ;)

Again... Many thanks!
-- 
Greg M. Kurtzer
http://runlevelzero.net/
http://caosity.org/
http://warewulf-cluster.org/


From mattboston at gmail.com  Fri Feb 18 09:31:18 2005
From: mattboston at gmail.com (Matt Shields)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 12:31:18 -0500
Subject: [cAos] Lessons Learned from LinuxWorld Expo
In-Reply-To: <20050218171031.GA9687@titan.runlevelzero.net>
References: <10071692050218083679608c1d@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050218171031.GA9687@titan.runlevelzero.net>
Message-ID: <10071692050218093126e6aa56@mail.gmail.com>

I'm trying to work out the details to get the professional CD/DVD's
donated through ShieldsLinux.com, since we just started I'm waiting
for my duplication equipment.  Luckily I have a dual purpose, since I
do DVD production for one of my other businesses. Previously I sent
out all production to another company.

The other thing I forgot to add was bring a camera.  My broke about 2
weeks ago, and I made the mistake of ordering it online because they
promised overnight shipment and it arrived yesterday.

I'd love to do it again, but we'll see.  Even though it was hard work,
I had a lot of fun (especially talking to our users and potential
users), the hardest part of all this was trying to explain to my wife
why I was doing this :->  For those of you married, you probably know
what I mean.  Non technical wives just don't why FOSS is so important.

-- 
Matt Shields
http://masnetworks.biz
http://sexydates4u.com
http://shieldslinux.com
http://shieldsmedia.com (currently under construction)
http://shieldsproductions.com (currently under construction)


On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:10:31 -0800, Greg M. Kurtzer
<gmk at runlevelzero.net> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 11:36:03AM -0500, Matt Shields wrote:
> > I have just published a article (http://masnetworks.biz/node/20) about
> > exhibiting at LinuxWorld Expo and the lessons learned.
> >
> > I heard some talk about some interest in doing the San Fran show.
> > Please feel free to contact me for any suggestions, help, CD's & DVD's
> > etc.
> 
> Excellent writeup! And thank you very much for hosting the booth. I hope it
> was at least entertaining and fun for you. I like hosting booths because it
> gives a great opportunity to interface directly with the public. I have talked
> to some of my peers that were there and they said you guys did a great job,
> and the booth was busy.
> 
> At the SF show last summer, we didn't come with any pre-burnt CDROMS, nor
> documents, nor banners. We may have looked amateurish, but we still made some
> good contacts.
> 
> Your points about funding limitations are very valid. Hopefully by the next
> show, we will be able to afford to print some fliers, and maybe even
> (hopefully) bring in some developers/contributors. Also as you suggested,
> leveraging sponsors for CDROMS and maybe other swag may be very beneficial.
> Anyone on the list that can help here should contact me. ;)
> 
> As a matter of fact, if anyone wants to be part of next summer's LWE in SF,
> let me know. Booking travel plans very early can usually get very discounted
> rates.
> 
> So Matt... Are you going to do it again next year? ;)
> 
> Again... Many thanks!
> --
> Greg M. Kurtzer
> http://runlevelzero.net/
> http://caosity.org/
> http://warewulf-cluster.org/
> _______________________________________________
> cAos mailing list
> cAos at caosity.org
> http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/caos
>


From m.stolte at datadevil.demon.nl  Fri Feb 18 16:18:57 2005
From: m.stolte at datadevil.demon.nl (Maarten Stolte)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:18:57 -0500
Subject: [cAos] Lessons Learned from LinuxWorld Expo
In-Reply-To: <20050218171031.GA9687@titan.runlevelzero.net>
References: <10071692050218083679608c1d@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050218171031.GA9687@titan.runlevelzero.net>
Message-ID: <421685F1.8060602@datadevil.demon.nl>

On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 11:36:03AM -0500, Matt Shields wrote:

>>I have just published a article (http://masnetworks.biz/node/20) about
>>exhibiting at LinuxWorld Expo and the lessons learned.
>>    
>>
havent read it yet, but you have a cookie warning in your page, you 
might want to check if there is whitespace before settng the cookie from 
php, that often causes that error.

Maarten


From mattboston at gmail.com  Fri Feb 18 10:45:45 2005
From: mattboston at gmail.com (Matt Shields)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 13:45:45 -0500
Subject: [cAos] Lessons Learned from LinuxWorld Expo
In-Reply-To: <421685F1.8060602@datadevil.demon.nl>
References: <10071692050218083679608c1d@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050218171031.GA9687@titan.runlevelzero.net>
	<421685F1.8060602@datadevil.demon.nl>
Message-ID: <100716920502181045110cbf70@mail.gmail.com>

I know, haven't had time to debug it.  Were you using MSIE?  I don't
get the error in Firefox, but do in MSIE.

-- 
Matt Shields
http://masnetworks.biz
http://sexydates4u.com
http://shieldslinux.com
http://shieldsmedia.com (currently under construction)
http://shieldsproductions.com (currently under construction)

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 19:18:57 -0500, Maarten Stolte
<m.stolte at datadevil.demon.nl> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 18, 2005 at 11:36:03AM -0500, Matt Shields wrote:
> 
> >>I have just published a article (http://masnetworks.biz/node/20) about
> >>exhibiting at LinuxWorld Expo and the lessons learned.
> >>
> >>
> havent read it yet, but you have a cookie warning in your page, you
> might want to check if there is whitespace before settng the cookie from
> php, that often causes that error.
> 
> Maarten
> _______________________________________________
> cAos mailing list
> cAos at caosity.org
> http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/caos
>


From m.stolte at datadevil.demon.nl  Fri Feb 18 17:08:29 2005
From: m.stolte at datadevil.demon.nl (Maarten Stolte)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 20:08:29 -0500
Subject: [cAos] Lessons Learned from LinuxWorld Expo
In-Reply-To: <100716920502181045110cbf70@mail.gmail.com>
References: <10071692050218083679608c1d@mail.gmail.com>	<20050218171031.GA9687@titan.runlevelzero.net>	<421685F1.8060602@datadevil.demon.nl>
	<100716920502181045110cbf70@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4216918D.4020207@datadevil.demon.nl>

Matt Shields wrote:

>I know, haven't had time to debug it.  Were you using MSIE?  I don't
>get the error in Firefox, but do in MSIE.
>
>  
>
i do in epiphany, and as said, it most likely is the whitespace..

Maarten


From mattboston at gmail.com  Fri Feb 18 15:53:50 2005
From: mattboston at gmail.com (Matt Shields)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:53:50 -0500
Subject: [cAos] Lessons Learned from LinuxWorld Expo
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0502181834010.18924-100000@e-smith.charlieb.ott.istop.com>
References: <10071692050218083679608c1d@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0502181834010.18924-100000@e-smith.charlieb.ott.istop.com>
Message-ID: <10071692050218155372a5ef0@mail.gmail.com>

Site is down, my webhost is having issues.  :-< 

-- 
Matt Shields
http://masnetworks.biz
http://sexydates4u.com
http://shieldslinux.com
http://shieldsmedia.com (currently under construction)
http://shieldsproductions.com (currently under construction)


On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:40:45 -0500 (EST), Charlie Brady
<charlieb-centos at budge.apana.org.au> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Matt Shields wrote:
> 
> > I have just published a article (http://masnetworks.biz/node/20) about
> > exhibiting at LinuxWorld Expo and the lessons learned.
> 
> masnetworks.biz doesn't resolve for me. "no servers could be reached".
> Both levi1.com name servers are responding to ICMP, but not DNS queries.
> 
>


From ssrat at mailbag.com  Wed Feb 23 09:52:11 2005
From: ssrat at mailbag.com (David Douthitt)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:52:11 -0600
Subject: [cAos] Expo preprations
Message-ID: <421CC2CB.2010805@mailbag.com>

I have a good grasp on writing and page layout - at least, I've been 
told so.  I'm no pro, though.

I'd be willing to help out in writing and so on.  I don't know about 
Boston or SF, but here in the Midwest (Madison, Wisc.; Rockford, Ill.; 
and more...) there is a store called "Kinko's" where you can get banners 
made, color prints done, and obscenely large photos and prints made.

Of course, lazer prints cost more than photocopies...

They also have static cling and other banners, signs, etc.

-- 
David Douthitt
UNIX System Administrator
Linux+, LPIC-1, RHCE
HP-UX, Unixware, Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD
Member: ACM, USENIX/SAGE


From charlieb-centos at budge.apana.org.au  Fri Feb 18 15:40:45 2005
From: charlieb-centos at budge.apana.org.au (Charlie Brady)
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:40:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [cAos] Lessons Learned from LinuxWorld Expo
In-Reply-To: <10071692050218083679608c1d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0502181834010.18924-100000@e-smith.charlieb.ott.istop.com>


On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Matt Shields wrote:

> I have just published a article (http://masnetworks.biz/node/20) about
> exhibiting at LinuxWorld Expo and the lessons learned.

masnetworks.biz doesn't resolve for me. "no servers could be reached". 
Both levi1.com name servers are responding to ICMP, but not DNS queries.



From mike at CamaroSS.net  Sun Feb 27 09:16:33 2005
From: mike at CamaroSS.net (Mike Kercher)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:16:33 -0600
Subject: [cAos] Lessons Learned from LinuxWorld Expo
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0502181834010.18924-100000@e-smith.charlieb.ott.istop.com>
Message-ID: <200502271715.j1RHF2us012693@avwall2.bladeware.com>

Charlie Brady wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Matt Shields wrote:
> 
>> I have just published a article (http://masnetworks.biz/node/20)
>> about exhibiting at LinuxWorld Expo and the lessons learned.
> 
> masnetworks.biz doesn't resolve for me. "no servers could be reached".
> Both levi1.com name servers are responding to ICMP, but not DNS
> queries. 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> cAos mailing list
> cAos at caosity.org
> http://lists.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/caos

It works fine for me.  

Mike