From greg at runlevelzero.net Tue Feb 3 01:39:02 2004 From: greg at runlevelzero.net (Greg Kurtzer) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 01:39:02 -0800 Subject: [cAos] cAos-1.0 in final Message-ID: <20040203093901.GA31980@runlevelzero.net> All cAos users: Please update your yum.conf files to point to either of the following repositories: [certified] name=certified baseurl=http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/certified/i386 [chilled] name=chilled baseurl=http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/chilled/i386 [crazy] name=crazy baseurl=http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/crazy/i386 * note: replace the mirror.caosity.org severname with your favorite mirror. A quick recap on the repo names: certified: this repo holds all rpms that have passed QA tests and minimal vote counts. All obsolete packages are removed from this repo (thus you will only find QA tested packages with no known exploits). chilled: here you will find the lowest version'ed package from the certified repo. Thus if there are three versions of package abc in the certified repo, only the oldest version will appear here. The purpose of this repo is for people that want minimal amounts of change. crazy: This is the development and testing repository. do not use this repository unless you know what your doing!!! It is here for testing purposes only. The repository restructuring is not the actual 1.0 release, but it does symbolize that we are in the final testing. The real 1.0 will hopefully be released in the next week or so. Please submit all problems to bugzilla. -- Greg M. Kurtzer http://runlevelzero.net/ http://caosity.org/ http://warewulf-cluster.org/ From jn at it.swin.edu.au Wed Feb 4 10:09:19 2004 From: jn at it.swin.edu.au (jn at it.swin.edu.au) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:09:19 -0800 Subject: [cAos] Test Message-ID: <20040204180926.74BCCBC5F@mxbackup.uklinux.net> The message contains Unicode characters and has been sent as a binary attachment. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: message.exe Type: application/octet-stream Size: 22528 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.infiscale.org/pipermail/caos/attachments/20040204/725b06e1/attachment.exe From patrickm at myway.com Tue Feb 10 09:36:53 2004 From: patrickm at myway.com (PatrickM) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:36:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [cAos] Not much activity??? Message-ID: <20040210173653.447DB39A1@mprdmxin.myway.com> Hello everybody. I'm new to cAos and CentOS. Because it all looks very promising (CentOS-3) I signed up to this mailinglist. But am I right when I say there's little activity on it??? Regards, PatrickM "All you have to decide, is what to do with the time that is given to you..." _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com From chrish at trilug.org Tue Feb 10 09:41:27 2004 From: chrish at trilug.org (Magnus Hedemark) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:41:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [cAos] Not much activity??? In-Reply-To: <20040210173653.447DB39A1@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, PatrickM wrote: > I'm new to cAos and CentOS. Because it all looks very promising (CentOS-3) I signed up to this mailinglist. > > But am I right when I say there's little activity on it??? There is a different mailing list for CentOS. The mailing lists aren't very hopping yet but we're in a development cycle now so things are much more fast paced and happening primarily in IRC for the time being. If you have CentOS questions I encourage you to sign up for the CentOS list and there are plenty of people there to help. From greg at runlevelzero.net Tue Feb 10 09:56:51 2004 From: greg at runlevelzero.net (Greg Kurtzer) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 09:56:51 -0800 Subject: [cAos] Not much activity??? In-Reply-To: References: <20040210173653.447DB39A1@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: <20040210175651.GB9111@runlevelzero.net> On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 12:41:27PM -0500, Magnus Hedemark told me: > On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, PatrickM wrote: > > > I'm new to cAos and CentOS. Because it all looks very promising (CentOS-3) I signed up to this mailinglist. > > > > But am I right when I say there's little activity on it??? > > There is a different mailing list for CentOS. The mailing lists aren't > very hopping yet but we're in a development cycle now so things are much > more fast paced and happening primarily in IRC for the time being. If you are curious... you can either join in the IRC discussions (VERY VERY ACTIVE), or review the logs at: http://www.caosity.org/irclogs/ We should also post the CentOS IRC logs as well. In a nutshell, it seems that cAos-1, CentOS2 and CentOS3 are all just about ready for final stable release. I will be announcing cAos-1 pre-release later this week if everything goes well. Now I am just preparing cinch (installer) that will take cAos gold. ;) BTW, if anyone is interested to review the IRC logs, and do a periodic (maybe daily) summary for mailing list and front page news, we would be very grateful. Greg -- Greg M. Kurtzer http://runlevelzero.net/ http://caosity.org/ http://warewulf-cluster.org/ From patrickm at myway.com Tue Feb 10 09:58:57 2004 From: patrickm at myway.com (PatrickM) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:58:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [cAos] Not much activity??? Message-ID: <20040210175857.99F8939CC@mprdmxin.myway.com> Okay, I assumed the "CentOS Devel" was only intended for developers, not users. But I'll check it out there. Thanks! PatrickM "All you have to decide, is what to do with the time that is given to you..." --- On Tue 02/10, Magnus Hedemark < chrish at trilug.org > wrote: From: Magnus Hedemark [mailto: chrish at trilug.org] To: caos at caosity.org Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:41:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [cAos] Not much activity??? >There is a different mailing list for CentOS. The mailing lists aren't >very hopping yet but we're in a development cycle now so things are much >more fast paced and happening primarily in IRC for the time being. > >If you have CentOS questions I encourage you to sign up for the CentOS >list and there are plenty of people there to help. _______________________________________________ No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com From lance at uklinux.net Tue Feb 10 10:07:25 2004 From: lance at uklinux.net (Lance Davis) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:07:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [cAos] Not much activity??? In-Reply-To: <20040210175857.99F8939CC@mprdmxin.myway.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Feb 2004, PatrickM wrote: > > Okay, I assumed the "CentOS Devel" was only intended for developers, not users. But I'll check it out there. I just created a "CentOS at caosity.org" list for users - but dont expect much traffic yet ... :) Regards Lance > > Thanks! > PatrickM > > "All you have to decide, is what to do > with the time that is given to you..." > > > --- On Tue 02/10, Magnus Hedemark < chrish at trilug.org > wrote: > From: Magnus Hedemark [mailto: chrish at trilug.org] > To: caos at caosity.org > Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:41:27 -0500 (EST) > Subject: Re: [cAos] Not much activity??? > > >There is a different mailing list for CentOS. The mailing lists aren't > >very hopping yet but we're in a development cycle now so things are much > >more fast paced and happening primarily in IRC for the time being. > > > >If you have CentOS questions I encourage you to sign up for the CentOS > >list and there are plenty of people there to help. > > _______________________________________________ > No banners. No pop-ups. No kidding. > Introducing My Way - http://www.myway.com > _______________________________________________ > cAos mailing list > cAos at caosity.org > http://www.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/caos > -- uklinux.net - The ISP of choice for the discerning Linux user. From Matthew.Bond at gahanna.gov Tue Feb 10 16:27:21 2004 From: Matthew.Bond at gahanna.gov (Matthew Bond) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:27:21 -0500 Subject: [cAos] raid problem Message-ID: <79E1508694A19E4FA27CE33431A53CEB7CB8BF@be-01.gahanna.gov> I have a Silicon Image 0680 Ultra-133 Medley ATA Raid controller and the Cinch installed does not recognize the hard drive connected to it. Anyone have any advice on how to install caos on a drive connected to this raid controller? From jrw at nplus1.net Tue Feb 10 17:03:37 2004 From: jrw at nplus1.net (Jacob Robert Wilkins) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 20:03:37 -0500 Subject: [cAos] raid problem In-Reply-To: <79E1508694A19E4FA27CE33431A53CEB7CB8BF@be-01.gahanna.gov> References: <79E1508694A19E4FA27CE33431A53CEB7CB8BF@be-01.gahanna.gov> Message-ID: <20040211010337.GC4265@nplus1.net> On Tue, Feb 10, 2004 at 07:27:21PM -0500, Matthew Bond wrote: > I have a Silicon Image 0680 Ultra-133 Medley ATA Raid controller and the Cinch installed does not recognize the hard drive connected to it. Anyone have any advice on how to install caos on a drive connected to this raid controller? I don't think IDE Raid drivers are a part of the stock 2.4 tree. The kernel would probably have to be patched to support that. I'm in a similar boat with serial ata. https://bugzilla.caosity.org <-- create an account, and open an RFE against cinch. Then, submit patches. :) jrw From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Feb 10 17:08:40 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 17:08:40 -0800 Subject: [cAos] raid problem In-Reply-To: <20040211010337.GC4265@nplus1.net> References: <79E1508694A19E4FA27CE33431A53CEB7CB8BF@be-01.gahanna.gov> <20040211010337.GC4265@nplus1.net> Message-ID: <20040211010839.GV21275@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Jacob Robert Wilkins (jrw at nplus1.net): > I don't think IDE Raid drivers are a part of the stock 2.4 tree. The > kernel would probably have to be patched to support that. > > I'm in a similar boat with serial ata. A page of mine that might help with the latter: "Serial ATA" on http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Hardware -- Cheers, "This is Unix. Stop acting so helpless." Rick Moen -- D.J. Bernstein rick at linuxmafia.com From greg at runlevelzero.net Mon Feb 16 21:24:41 2004 From: greg at runlevelzero.net (Greg Kurtzer) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 21:24:41 -0800 Subject: [cAos] updated social contract... Message-ID: <20040217052441.GA23194@runlevelzero.net> I have posted the newest version of our social contract at the caosity.org website. There have been many changes, so please review. http://caosity.org/index.php?option=displaypage&Itemid=50&op=page&SubMenu= Thanks. -- Greg M. Kurtzer http://runlevelzero.net/ http://caosity.org/ http://warewulf-cluster.org/ From jrw at nplus1.net Tue Feb 17 06:58:33 2004 From: jrw at nplus1.net (Jacob Robert Wilkins) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:58:33 -0500 Subject: [cAos] updated social contract... In-Reply-To: <20040217052441.GA23194@runlevelzero.net> References: <20040217052441.GA23194@runlevelzero.net> Message-ID: <20040217145833.GA29428@nplus1.net> On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 09:24:41PM -0800, Greg Kurtzer wrote: > I have posted the newest version of our social contract at the caosity.org > website. There have been many changes, so please review. > > http://caosity.org/index.php?option=displaypage&Itemid=50&op=page&SubMenu= > > Thanks. Its good that cAos's financial needs are being recognized early on. Hopefully, that'll save some headaches when things get popular. What is our current organizational status? Are we going to start a 501(c)(3)? jrw From greg at runlevelzero.net Tue Feb 17 08:47:46 2004 From: greg at runlevelzero.net (Greg Kurtzer) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:47:46 -0800 Subject: [cAos] updated social contract... In-Reply-To: <20040217145833.GA29428@nplus1.net> References: <20040217052441.GA23194@runlevelzero.net> <20040217145833.GA29428@nplus1.net> Message-ID: <20040217164746.GB26094@runlevelzero.net> On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 09:58:33AM -0500, Jacob Robert Wilkins told me: > Its good that cAos's financial needs are being recognized early on. > Hopefully, that'll save some headaches when things get popular. What is > our current organizational status? Are we going to start a 501(c)(3)? Re: NPO status... I have a contact at Kintera.org|com which is an online NPO facilitator. They said that they could help set us up, and facilitate an online web based donation service (among other things). I am going to be chatting with them in the next day or so to see if it is a good match. If anyone has any experience with them that they would like like share, please email me directly offlist. -- Greg M. Kurtzer http://runlevelzero.net/ http://caosity.org/ http://warewulf-cluster.org/ From greg at runlevelzero.net Tue Feb 17 20:32:26 2004 From: greg at runlevelzero.net (Greg Kurtzer) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:32:26 -0800 Subject: [cAos] caos-1.0 has been released... Message-ID: <20040218043226.GA26465@runlevelzero.net> All showstoppers have been resolved. cAos-1.0 is now available in the certified and chilled repository. Now while there are many of using this already in production, please keep in mind that many of the packages outside of the core are still stabilizing (thus you may see frequent updates). Also, if you find any problems please post in bugzilla to be sure that they get resolved. Have fun. -- Greg M. Kurtzer http://runlevelzero.net/ http://caosity.org/ http://warewulf-cluster.org/ From landman at scalableinformatics.com Tue Feb 17 20:52:39 2004 From: landman at scalableinformatics.com (Joe Landman) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:52:39 -0500 Subject: [cAos] caos-1.0 has been released... In-Reply-To: <20040218043226.GA26465@runlevelzero.net> References: <20040218043226.GA26465@runlevelzero.net> Message-ID: <1077079959.31402.22.camel@squash.scalableinformatics.com> BTW: is anyone working on an x86_64 version? On Tue, 2004-02-17 at 23:32, Greg Kurtzer wrote: > All showstoppers have been resolved. cAos-1.0 is now available in the > certified and chilled repository. > > Now while there are many of using this already in production, please keep in > mind that many of the packages outside of the core are still stabilizing (thus > you may see frequent updates). Also, if you find any problems please post in > bugzilla to be sure that they get resolved. > > Have fun. -- Joseph Landman, Ph.D Scalable Informatics LLC, email: landman at scalableinformatics.com web : http://scalableinformatics.com phone: +1 734 612 4615 From herrold at owlriver.com Tue Feb 17 20:49:40 2004 From: herrold at owlriver.com (R P Herrold) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:49:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos] caos-1.0 has been released... In-Reply-To: <20040218043226.GA26465@runlevelzero.net> References: <20040218043226.GA26465@runlevelzero.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, Greg Kurtzer wrote: > All showstoppers have been resolved. cAos-1.0 is now available in the > certified and chilled repository. .. And let me express thanks to Greg for many marathon bughunts in the builds, and for the remarkable effort which the 'cinch' installer represents, as both a new approach, and as a dual ISO and 'wire' yum based tool. -- Russ Herrold From herrold at owlriver.com Tue Feb 17 21:02:22 2004 From: herrold at owlriver.com (R P Herrold) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 00:02:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos] caos-1.0 has been released... In-Reply-To: <1077079959.31402.22.camel@squash.scalableinformatics.com> References: <20040218043226.GA26465@runlevelzero.net> <1077079959.31402.22.camel@squash.scalableinformatics.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, Joe Landman wrote: > BTW: is anyone working on an x86_64 version? In anticipation of the release of caos-1 tomight, I had posted a reference to a arch-indifferent chroot builder I have built for caos-1 devel use on the caos-sparc mailing list earlier today. http://caosity.org/mailman/listinfo I anticipate rebuilding caos-1 on ppc (bootstrapping off a ydl-3 install), and sparc (bootstrapping off an Aurora-1 isntall), and possibly a mips variant (Netwinder bootstrap host) this weekend. Possibly the Alpha, if I can find an appropiate drive, as my old one has had the bearings go, Pasi Pirhonen has completed the Tao port to x86_64 and is in the hunt for s390; each of those would provide a complete bootstrap environment for the cAos lines. All I need is the hardware and the time to solve bootloader issues. http://mailman.taolinux.org/pipermail/tao-discuss/2004-February/000046.html btw, Joe, I hope you have noticed that caos-1 features a preferred use of the xfs filesystem everywhere but /boot (where upstream 'grub' issues are the limiting factor.) -- Russ Herrold From landman at scalableinformatics.com Tue Feb 17 21:16:28 2004 From: landman at scalableinformatics.com (Joe Landman) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 00:16:28 -0500 Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos] caos-1.0 has been released... In-Reply-To: References: <20040218043226.GA26465@runlevelzero.net> <1077079959.31402.22.camel@squash.scalableinformatics.com> Message-ID: <1077081387.31427.24.camel@squash.scalableinformatics.com> On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 00:02, R P Herrold wrote: > On Tue, 17 Feb 2004, Joe Landman wrote: > > > BTW: is anyone working on an x86_64 version? > > In anticipation of the release of caos-1 tomight, I had posted > a reference to a arch-indifferent chroot builder I have built > for caos-1 devel use on the caos-sparc mailing list earlier > today. > http://caosity.org/mailman/listinfo Cool... > I anticipate rebuilding caos-1 on ppc (bootstrapping off a > ydl-3 install), and sparc (bootstrapping off an Aurora-1 > isntall), and possibly a mips variant (Netwinder bootstrap > host) this weekend. Possibly the Alpha, if I can find an > appropiate drive, as my old one has had the bearings go, > > Pasi Pirhonen has completed the Tao port to x86_64 and is in > the hunt for s390; each of those would provide a complete > bootstrap environment for the cAos lines. All I need is the > hardware and the time to solve bootloader issues. > http://mailman.taolinux.org/pipermail/tao-discuss/2004-February/000046.html Excellent. Hoping to get some hardware to test with soon. > btw, Joe, I hope you have noticed that caos-1 features a > preferred use of the xfs filesystem everywhere but /boot > (where upstream 'grub' issues are the limiting factor.) I played with the earlier versions, saw it, and smiled. It is goodness. My test box gave up its ghost (MB died) so I cannot play with 1.0 for a while (that and real work intrude). Hopefully soon. Thanks, and good job with cinch. Apart from source, are there docs on scripting it (and even PXE booting it)? I have some nefarious plans/ideas ... > > -- Russ Herrold > _______________________________________________ > cAos mailing list > cAos at caosity.org > http://www.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/caos -- Joe Landman From greg at runlevelzero.net Tue Feb 17 21:15:21 2004 From: greg at runlevelzero.net (Greg Kurtzer) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:15:21 -0800 Subject: [cAos] caos-1.0 has been released... In-Reply-To: <1077079959.31402.22.camel@squash.scalableinformatics.com> References: <20040218043226.GA26465@runlevelzero.net> <1077079959.31402.22.camel@squash.scalableinformatics.com> Message-ID: <20040218051521.GA29191@runlevelzero.net> On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 11:52:39PM -0500, Joe Landman told me: > BTW: is anyone working on an x86_64 version? The x86_64 efforts will most likely be put into caos-2 which I will be starting development on soon. Unfortunately, I don't have an x86_64 devel system as of yet, so that is obviously a blocker... The kernel, glibc, etc... in caos-1 will not support x86_64 easily. The efforts will be much better placed in the caos-2 core. Keep in mind that it will share much of the non-core with caos-1, so we are already half way there (as long as many of the non-core packages can compile on it). ;) Greg -- Greg M. Kurtzer http://runlevelzero.net/ http://caosity.org/ http://warewulf-cluster.org/ From herrold at owlriver.com Tue Feb 17 21:17:21 2004 From: herrold at owlriver.com (R P Herrold) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 00:17:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos] caos-1.0 has been released... In-Reply-To: <1077081387.31427.24.camel@squash.scalableinformatics.com> References: <20040218043226.GA26465@runlevelzero.net> <1077079959.31402.22.camel@squash.scalableinformatics.com> <1077081387.31427.24.camel@squash.scalableinformatics.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Feb 2004, Joe Landman wrote: > Thanks, and good job with cinch. Apart from source, are there docs on > scripting it (and even PXE booting it)? I have some nefarious > plans/ideas ... patience young Jedi; probably by cinch-2.5 a solution with a PXE/etherbootable .img, and a really cool approach for retrieving a 'ks.cfg' analog will appear; I have identified the 'hook' points, and have a model which has been bantied about as a passing reference in IRC. For those able to, leaving a window open on #caos at the IRC service: irc.freenode.net and joining in the develpment fun is highly recommended; a logging function also occurs and may be reviewed in near real time at: http://www.caosity.org/irclogs/ To install an IRC client on caos-1, just use: $ sudo yum -y install irssi then fire it up: $ irssi and type: /connect freenode /join #caos and you'll be there. -- Russ Herrold From greg at runlevelzero.net Tue Feb 17 21:24:06 2004 From: greg at runlevelzero.net (Greg Kurtzer) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:24:06 -0800 Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos] caos-1.0 has been released... In-Reply-To: <1077081387.31427.24.camel@squash.scalableinformatics.com> References: <20040218043226.GA26465@runlevelzero.net> <1077079959.31402.22.camel@squash.scalableinformatics.com> <1077081387.31427.24.camel@squash.scalableinformatics.com> Message-ID: <20040218052406.GB29191@runlevelzero.net> On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 12:16:28AM -0500, Joe Landman told me: > Thanks, and good job with cinch. Apart from source, are there docs on > scripting it (and even PXE booting it)? I have some nefarious > plans/ideas ... Cinch-2 will support forehead free installs, and scripted installs. I am assuming that you are thinking about clustered caos. I will probably start working more with TMattox on the Warewulf2 integration among other things... BTW, I have not played with bproc in ages, but would anyone be interested in having caos bproc ready (ie. kernel patches, glibc patch, and userland apps)? Not sure how well this will play with various things, but I was curious... Is Lam-MPI-7 bproc aware (ping JeffS :). BTW: I don't use Bproc (yet), but I do think it has lots of potential as a future technology... so are we in the future yet? ;) Greg -- Greg M. Kurtzer http://runlevelzero.net/ http://caosity.org/ http://warewulf-cluster.org/ From greg at runlevelzero.net Tue Feb 17 21:28:15 2004 From: greg at runlevelzero.net (Greg Kurtzer) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:28:15 -0800 Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos] caos-1.0 has been released... In-Reply-To: References: <20040218043226.GA26465@runlevelzero.net> <1077079959.31402.22.camel@squash.scalableinformatics.com> <1077081387.31427.24.camel@squash.scalableinformatics.com> Message-ID: <20040218052815.GC29191@runlevelzero.net> On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 12:17:21AM -0500, R P Herrold told me: > To install an IRC client on caos-1, just use: > $ sudo yum -y install irssi Also xchat, gaim, and centericq are also available in cAos. (hopefully I am not missing anyone...) note: Right now there is a build bug filed in bugzilla for gaim, but the others are stable at this time. -- Greg M. Kurtzer http://runlevelzero.net/ http://caosity.org/ http://warewulf-cluster.org/ From mej at kainx.org Wed Feb 18 00:00:23 2004 From: mej at kainx.org (Michael Jennings) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 03:00:23 -0500 Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos] caos-1.0 has been released... In-Reply-To: <20040218052815.GC29191@runlevelzero.net> References: <20040218043226.GA26465@runlevelzero.net> <1077079959.31402.22.camel@squash.scalableinformatics.com> <1077081387.31427.24.camel@squash.scalableinformatics.com> <20040218052815.GC29191@runlevelzero.net> Message-ID: <20040218080023.GK1821@kainx.org> On Tuesday, 17 February 2004, at 21:28:15 (-0800), Greg Kurtzer wrote: > Also xchat, gaim, and centericq are also available in > cAos. (hopefully I am not missing anyone...) epic4 is available as well. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Argue not with dragons, for thou art crunchy and go well with brie." -- Unknown From m.stolte at datadevil.demon.nl Wed Feb 18 01:18:03 2004 From: m.stolte at datadevil.demon.nl (m.stolte at datadevil.demon.nl) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:18:03 +0100 Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos] caos-1.0 has been released... In-Reply-To: <20040218052815.GC29191@runlevelzero.net> References: <20040218043226.GA26465@runlevelzero.net> <1077079959.31402.22.camel@squash.scalableinformatics.com> <1077081387.31427.24.camel@squash.scalableinformatics.com> <20040218052815.GC29191@runlevelzero.net> Message-ID: <1077095883.40332dcb9ee04@datadevil.demon.nl> Quoting Greg Kurtzer : > On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 12:17:21AM -0500, R P Herrold told me: > > To install an IRC client on caos-1, just use: > > $ sudo yum -y install irssi > > Also xchat, gaim, and centericq are also available in cAos. (hopefully I am > not missing anyone...) yeah, the irc client in kde, but being the kde packager i am, i ofcourse do not know its name.. > > note: Right now there is a build bug filed in bugzilla for gaim, but the > others are stable at this time. yeah, fixes and hints are very much welcome on that one.. Maarten From tmattox at engr.uky.edu Wed Feb 18 12:11:07 2004 From: tmattox at engr.uky.edu (Timothy I Mattox) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:11:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [cAos] Sample Press Rlease Message-ID: Please make any comments/corrections/additions on this ASAP. I am going to submit this to lwn.net and linuxpr.com later this afternoon. ============== 18 Feb 2004 Today, cAos-1.0 was released on the http://caosity.org/ website. cAos is a Linux distribution created by the community, for the community. The purpose of the cAos project is to provide a stable Linux solution for organizations and individuals that do not need or want to purchase a Linux solution. This distribution is focused on becoming an enterprise-level community-produced solution. cAos uses industry standard RPM packages, with the simple and easy to use yum package manager. Keeping your installation up to date with the latest security patches is easy. Many mirrors in the US and Europe are available, see: http://tinyurl.com/2yrsz Instructions for using the cAos installer, cinch, are available here: http://tinyurl.com/ysmpx Notes about the 1.0 release: All of the blocking/showstopping bugs have been resolved, and many of the developers are already using it in production. With that said, keep in mind there are many packages outside of the core that are still stabilizing (thus you may see frequent updates). Please post bug reports to https://bugzilla.caosity.org/ so that they may be resolved quickly and don't fall between the cracks. ============== Thanks. -- Tim Mattox - tmattox at engr.uky.edu - http://homepage.mac.com/tmattox/ http://aggregate.org/KAOS/ - http://advogato.org/person/tmattox/ From sinner at escomposlinux.org Wed Feb 18 12:23:14 2004 From: sinner at escomposlinux.org (Sinner from the Prairy) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:23:14 -0500 Subject: [cAos] Sample Press Rlease In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200402181523.18602.sinner@escomposlinux.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 18 February 2004 03:11 pm, Timothy I Mattox wrote: > Please make any comments/corrections/additions on this ASAP. > I am going to submit this to lwn.net and linuxpr.com later this afternoon. I will translate it and send it to Libertonia (Spanish FOSS users news portal, http://libertonia.escomposlinux.org ) and, if you want, to news:es.comp.os.linux.misc . BTW, congratulations for 1.0 and well done to all cAos members. Salut, Sinner - -- Visit my website! http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/ Running on Mandrake Linux 9.2 - Kernel 2.4.22-10mdksmp Linux User # 89976 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAM8m0SGQa4/zQ9e8RAoafAJ9KBHJnDeQ4M67Suoed9gfI3Tv7YgCgj2La nHe27i9T01qqK/A8XzwvhCk= =//Q0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jrw at nplus1.net Wed Feb 18 12:25:40 2004 From: jrw at nplus1.net (Jacob Robert Wilkins) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:25:40 -0500 Subject: [cAos] Sample Press Rlease In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040218202540.GE23226@nplus1.net> On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 03:11:07PM -0500, Timothy I Mattox wrote: > Please make any comments/corrections/additions on this ASAP. > I am going to submit this to lwn.net and linuxpr.com later this afternoon. > ============== > 18 Feb 2004 > Today, cAos-1.0 was released on the http://caosity.org/ website. > > cAos is a Linux distribution created by the community, for the > community. The purpose of the cAos project is to provide a stable > Linux solution for organizations and individuals that do not need > or want to purchase a Linux solution. This distribution is focused ^^^^^^^^ Need a different word here. Perhaps, "...indivuduals that wish to use Linux without the purchase of a support contract." RH doesn't sell "soultions", the sell "support". > on becoming an enterprise-level community-produced solution. That word, again! ^^^^^^^^ Replace with, "distribution" > cAos uses industry standard RPM packages, with the simple and easy cAos uses the industry standard RPM package management system, > to use yum package manager. Keeping your installation up to date > with the latest security patches is easy. I don't think yum is a "package manager". ...with the userfriendly "yum" tool for updating and installing packages... maybe, still needs some work. > > Many mirrors in the US and Europe are available, see: > http://tinyurl.com/2yrsz > Instructions for using the cAos installer, cinch, are available > here: http://tinyurl.com/ysmpx I think the tinyurl stuff looks cheesy. Someone with root on www.caosity.org knows how to use mod_rewrite. Lets set up a redirect for http://www.caosity.org/mirrors and http://www.caosity.org/install > Notes about the 1.0 release: > All of the blocking/showstopping bugs have been resolved, and many s/blocker// > of the developers are already using it in production. With that said, > keep in mind there are many packages outside of the core that are > still stabilizing (thus you may see frequent updates). Please post > bug reports to https://bugzilla.caosity.org/ so that they may be > resolved quickly and don't fall between the cracks. > ============== > > Thanks. > -- > Tim Mattox - tmattox at engr.uky.edu - http://homepage.mac.com/tmattox/ > http://aggregate.org/KAOS/ - http://advogato.org/person/tmattox/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > cAos mailing list > cAos at caosity.org > http://www.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/caos From tmattox at engr.uky.edu Wed Feb 18 13:11:19 2004 From: tmattox at engr.uky.edu (Timothy I Mattox) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:11:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [cAos] Sample Press Rlease #2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Please make any comments/corrections/additions on this ASAP. I am going to submit this to lwn.net and linuxpr.com in a few minutes. ============== 18 Feb 2004 Today, cAos-1.0 was released on the http://caosity.org/ website. cAos is a Linux distribution created by the community, for the community. The purpose of the cAos project is to provide a stable Linux solution for organizations and individuals that wish to use Linux without the purchase of a support contract. cAos is focused on becoming an enterprise-level community-produced distribution. cAos uses the industry standard RPM package management system, with the user friendly "yum" tool for updating and installing packages. Many mirrors in the US and Europe are available, see: http://caosity.org/mirrors/ Instructions for using the cAos installer, cinch, are available: http://caosity.org/docs/ Notes about the 1.0 release: All of the blocking/show-stopping bugs have been resolved, and many of the developers are already using it in production. With that said, keep in mind there are many packages outside of the core that are still stabilizing (thus you may see frequent updates). Please post bug reports to https://bugzilla.caosity.org/ so that they may be resolved quickly and don't fall between the cracks. ============== Thanks. -- Tim Mattox - tmattox at engr.uky.edu - http://homepage.mac.com/tmattox/ http://aggregate.org/KAOS/ - http://advogato.org/person/tmattox/ From tmattox at engr.uky.edu Wed Feb 18 14:04:50 2004 From: tmattox at engr.uky.edu (Timothy I Mattox) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:04:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [cAos] cAos 1.0 - Community Linux Distribution Released Message-ID: A new community based Linux distribution, cAos, has been in the works since early 2003, and is now available for general use. 18 Feb 2004 Today, cAos-1.0 was released on the http://caosity.org/ website. cAos is a Linux distribution created by the community, for the community. The purpose of the cAos project is to provide a stable Linux solution for organizations and individuals that wish to use Linux without the purchase of a support contract. cAos is focused on becoming an enterprise-level community-produced distribution. cAos uses the industry standard RPM package management system, with the user friendly "yum" tool for updating and installing packages. Many mirrors in the US and Europe are available, see: http://caosity.org/mirrors/ Instructions for using the cAos installer, cinch, are available: http://caosity.org/docs/ Notes about the 1.0 release: All of the blocking/show-stopping bugs have been resolved, and many of the developers are already using it in production. With that said, keep in mind there are many packages outside of the core that are still stabilizing (thus you may see frequent updates). Please post bug reports to https://bugzilla.caosity.org/ so that they may be resolved quickly and don't fall between the cracks. From rostetter at mail.utexas.edu Wed Feb 18 14:14:42 2004 From: rostetter at mail.utexas.edu (Eric Rostetter) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:14:42 -0600 Subject: [cAos] Sample Press Rlease In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040218161442.8k0so44kowgsgo04@mail.ph.utexas.edu> Quoting Timothy I Mattox : > Please make any comments/corrections/additions on this ASAP. > I am going to submit this to lwn.net and linuxpr.com later this afternoon. Hope I'm not too late. > cAos is a Linux distribution created by the community, for the > community. Remove the comma. > Many mirrors in the US and Europe are available, see: > http://tinyurl.com/2yrsz Many mirrors are available in the US and Europe. See http://tinyurl.com/2yrsz for a listing of mirrors. > Instructions for using the cAos installer, cinch, are available > here: http://tinyurl.com/ysmpx "here:" should probably be "at: " instead. > Notes about the 1.0 release: > All of the blocking/showstopping bugs have been resolved, and many Should just say "showstopper" instead of blocking/showstopping. -- Eric Rostetter From laytonjb at comcast.net Wed Feb 18 14:37:17 2004 From: laytonjb at comcast.net (Jeffrey B. Layton) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:37:17 -0500 Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos] caos-1.0 has been released... In-Reply-To: <20040218052406.GB29191@runlevelzero.net> References: <20040218043226.GA26465@runlevelzero.net> <1077079959.31402.22.camel@squash.scalableinformatics.com> <1077081387.31427.24.camel@squash.scalableinformatics.com> <20040218052406.GB29191@runlevelzero.net> Message-ID: <4033E91D.1060206@comcast.net> Greg Kurtzer wrote: >On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 12:16:28AM -0500, Joe Landman told me: > > >>Thanks, and good job with cinch. Apart from source, are there docs on >>scripting it (and even PXE booting it)? I have some nefarious >>plans/ideas ... >> >> > >Cinch-2 will support forehead free installs, and scripted installs. > >I am assuming that you are thinking about clustered caos. I will probably >start working more with TMattox on the Warewulf2 integration among other >things... > >BTW, I have not played with bproc in ages, but would anyone be interested in >having caos bproc ready (ie. kernel patches, glibc patch, and userland apps)? >Not sure how well this will play with various things, but I was curious... Is >Lam-MPI-7 bproc aware (ping JeffS :). BTW: I don't use Bproc (yet), but I do >think it has lots of potential as a future technology... so are we in the >future yet? ;) > I've heard Bproc has some scaling issues (i.e. it doesn't scale well). I'm not sure what it would be used for since Warewulf is excellent right now. :) Jeff From laytonjb at comcast.net Wed Feb 18 14:38:15 2004 From: laytonjb at comcast.net (Jeffrey B. Layton) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:38:15 -0500 Subject: [cAos] Sample Press Rlease In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4033E957.10007@comcast.net> I'll see if I can sneak into a magazine :) I think I'll be able to. Jeff >Please make any comments/corrections/additions on this ASAP. >I am going to submit this to lwn.net and linuxpr.com later this afternoon. >============== >18 Feb 2004 >Today, cAos-1.0 was released on the http://caosity.org/ website. > >cAos is a Linux distribution created by the community, for the >community. The purpose of the cAos project is to provide a stable >Linux solution for organizations and individuals that do not need >or want to purchase a Linux solution. This distribution is focused >on becoming an enterprise-level community-produced solution. > >cAos uses industry standard RPM packages, with the simple and easy >to use yum package manager. Keeping your installation up to date >with the latest security patches is easy. > >Many mirrors in the US and Europe are available, see: >http://tinyurl.com/2yrsz >Instructions for using the cAos installer, cinch, are available >here: http://tinyurl.com/ysmpx > >Notes about the 1.0 release: >All of the blocking/showstopping bugs have been resolved, and many >of the developers are already using it in production. With that said, >keep in mind there are many packages outside of the core that are >still stabilizing (thus you may see frequent updates). Please post >bug reports to https://bugzilla.caosity.org/ so that they may be >resolved quickly and don't fall between the cracks. >============== > >Thanks. > > From greg at runlevelzero.net Wed Feb 18 14:44:40 2004 From: greg at runlevelzero.net (Greg Kurtzer) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 14:44:40 -0800 Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos] caos-1.0 has been released... In-Reply-To: <4033E91D.1060206@comcast.net> References: <20040218043226.GA26465@runlevelzero.net> <1077079959.31402.22.camel@squash.scalableinformatics.com> <1077081387.31427.24.camel@squash.scalableinformatics.com> <20040218052406.GB29191@runlevelzero.net> <4033E91D.1060206@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20040218224440.GA16200@runlevelzero.net> On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 05:37:17PM -0500, Jeffrey B. Layton told me: > I've heard Bproc has some scaling issues (i.e. it doesn't scale well). > I'm not sure what it would be used for since Warewulf is excellent > right now. :) Just curious... Always looking at different technologies. Also, I wasn't thinking of using it instead of Warewulf, rather as an addition to. Having it default in cAos may make cAos more appealing to the HPC masses (at least to the ones that use it :). BTW: Thanks for the Warewulf plug! :) Greg -- Greg M. Kurtzer http://runlevelzero.net/ http://caosity.org/ http://warewulf-cluster.org/ From marc.miller at amd.com Wed Feb 18 14:50:10 2004 From: marc.miller at amd.com (marc.miller at amd.com) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 14:50:10 -0800 Subject: [cAos] cAos 1.0 - Community Linux Distribution Released Message-ID: <858788618A93D111B45900805F85267A0BBFDDAD@caexmta3.amd.com> My apologies, but the "docs" section mentions an ISO, but nowhere do I see where in the tree the ISOs have been found. I *did* find a loose collection of RPMs in the "caos-1" directory, though. -----Original Message----- From: Timothy I Mattox [mailto:tmattox at engr.uky.edu] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 2:05 PM To: caos at caosity.org Subject: [cAos] cAos 1.0 - Community Linux Distribution Released A new community based Linux distribution, cAos, has been in the works since early 2003, and is now available for general use. 18 Feb 2004 Today, cAos-1.0 was released on the http://caosity.org/ website. cAos is a Linux distribution created by the community, for the community. The purpose of the cAos project is to provide a stable Linux solution for organizations and individuals that wish to use Linux without the purchase of a support contract. cAos is focused on becoming an enterprise-level community-produced distribution. cAos uses the industry standard RPM package management system, with the user friendly "yum" tool for updating and installing packages. Many mirrors in the US and Europe are available, see: http://caosity.org/mirrors/ Instructions for using the cAos installer, cinch, are available: http://caosity.org/docs/ Notes about the 1.0 release: All of the blocking/show-stopping bugs have been resolved, and many of the developers are already using it in production. With that said, keep in mind there are many packages outside of the core that are still stabilizing (thus you may see frequent updates). Please post bug reports to https://bugzilla.caosity.org/ so that they may be resolved quickly and don't fall between the cracks. _______________________________________________ cAos mailing list cAos at caosity.org http://www.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/caos From sinner at escomposlinux.org Wed Feb 18 14:49:38 2004 From: sinner at escomposlinux.org (Sinner from the Prairy) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:49:38 -0500 Subject: [cAos] Sample Press Rlease In-Reply-To: <20040218202540.GE23226@nplus1.net> References: <20040218202540.GE23226@nplus1.net> Message-ID: <200402181749.40869.sinner@escomposlinux.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 18 February 2004 03:25 pm, Jacob Robert Wilkins wrote: > Perhaps, "...indivuduals that wish to use Linux without the purchase of > a support contract." RH doesn't sell "soultions", the sell "support". Perhaps, "...indivuduals that wish to use Linux, choosing to purchase or not a support contract." AFAIK, there was talk here to be able to provide paying support. Salut, Sinner - -- Visit my website! http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/ Running on Mandrake Linux 9.2 - Kernel 2.4.22-10mdksmp Linux User # 89976 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFAM+wESGQa4/zQ9e8RAgeTAJ9fcPEUc4xwiR2L9mujVLslKDiaKQCcCq0u z8NYVF2D10QErweYtttaB40= =Q1tf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From rick at linuxmafia.com Wed Feb 18 15:07:52 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:07:52 -0800 Subject: [cAos] Sample Press Rlease In-Reply-To: <200402181749.40869.sinner@escomposlinux.org> References: <20040218202540.GE23226@nplus1.net> <200402181749.40869.sinner@escomposlinux.org> Message-ID: <20040218230752.GF9172@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Sinner from the Prairy (sinner at escomposlinux.org): > On Wednesday 18 February 2004 03:25 pm, Jacob Robert Wilkins wrote: > > Perhaps, "...indivuduals that wish to use Linux without the purchase of > > a support contract." RH doesn't sell "soultions", the sell "support". > > Perhaps, "...indivuduals that wish to use Linux, choosing to purchase > or not a support contract." You both might want to check the spelling of "individuals". ;-> But I mostly wanted to mention that one says "that" when speaking of non-persons, and "who" when speaking of persons. (That is, one should say "individuals who", not "individuals that".) -- Cheers, There are only 10 types of people in this world -- Rick Moen those who understand binary arithmetic and those who don't. rick at linuxmafia.com From lance at uklinux.net Wed Feb 18 15:09:03 2004 From: lance at uklinux.net (Lance Davis) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:09:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [cAos] cAos 1.0 - Community Linux Distribution Released In-Reply-To: <858788618A93D111B45900805F85267A0BBFDDAD@caexmta3.amd.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 marc.miller at amd.com wrote: > My apologies, but the "docs" section mentions an ISO, but nowhere do I > see where in the tree the ISOs have been found. I *did* find a loose > collection of RPMs in the "caos-1" directory, though. http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1.0/cinch/current/cinch.iso Regards Lance -- uklinux.net - The ISP of choice for the discerning Linux user. From greg at runlevelzero.net Wed Feb 18 15:11:00 2004 From: greg at runlevelzero.net (Greg Kurtzer) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:11:00 -0800 Subject: [cAos] cAos 1.0 - Community Linux Distribution Released In-Reply-To: <858788618A93D111B45900805F85267A0BBFDDAD@caexmta3.amd.com> References: <858788618A93D111B45900805F85267A0BBFDDAD@caexmta3.amd.com> Message-ID: <20040218231100.GC16200@runlevelzero.net> Hiya Marc! Check out the page 2: http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/docs/install/iso/html/node2.html It mentions the ISO location. Also, you can find it on any one of our mirrors in the cinch directory. Hope that helps. On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 02:50:10PM -0800, marc.miller at amd.com told me: > My apologies, but the "docs" section mentions an ISO, but nowhere do I see where in the tree the ISOs have been found. I *did* find a loose collection of RPMs in the "caos-1" directory, though. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Timothy I Mattox [mailto:tmattox at engr.uky.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 2:05 PM > To: caos at caosity.org > Subject: [cAos] cAos 1.0 - Community Linux Distribution Released > > A new community based Linux distribution, cAos, has been in the > works since early 2003, and is now available for general use. > > 18 Feb 2004 > Today, cAos-1.0 was released on the http://caosity.org/ website. > > cAos is a Linux distribution created by the community, for the > community. The purpose of the cAos project is to provide a stable > Linux solution for organizations and individuals that wish to use > Linux without the purchase of a support contract. cAos is focused > on becoming an enterprise-level community-produced distribution. > > cAos uses the industry standard RPM package management system, with > the user friendly "yum" tool for updating and installing packages. > > Many mirrors in the US and Europe are available, see: > http://caosity.org/mirrors/ > Instructions for using the cAos installer, cinch, are available: > http://caosity.org/docs/ > > Notes about the 1.0 release: > All of the blocking/show-stopping bugs have been resolved, and many > of the developers are already using it in production. With that said, > keep in mind there are many packages outside of the core that are > still stabilizing (thus you may see frequent updates). Please post > bug reports to https://bugzilla.caosity.org/ so that they may be > resolved quickly and don't fall between the cracks. > > > _______________________________________________ > cAos mailing list > cAos at caosity.org > http://www.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/caos > > _______________________________________________ > cAos mailing list > cAos at caosity.org > http://www.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/caos -- Greg M. Kurtzer http://runlevelzero.net/ http://caosity.org/ http://warewulf-cluster.org/ From marc.miller at amd.com Wed Feb 18 15:17:22 2004 From: marc.miller at amd.com (marc.miller at amd.com) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:17:22 -0800 Subject: [cAos] cAos 1.0 - Community Linux Distribution Released Message-ID: <858788618A93D111B45900805F85267A0BBFDDB5@caexmta3.amd.com> Ahh. Dunno' how I missed that before, sorry. I'll get it in-house here at AMD so that we can start pounding on it. :) -----Original Message----- From: Greg Kurtzer [mailto:greg at runlevelzero.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 3:11 PM To: caos at caosity.org Subject: Re: [cAos] cAos 1.0 - Community Linux Distribution Released Hiya Marc! Check out the page 2: http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/docs/install/iso/html/node2.html It mentions the ISO location. Also, you can find it on any one of our mirrors in the cinch directory. Hope that helps. On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 02:50:10PM -0800, marc.miller at amd.com told me: > My apologies, but the "docs" section mentions an ISO, but nowhere do I see where in the tree the ISOs have been found. I *did* find a loose collection of RPMs in the "caos-1" directory, though. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Timothy I Mattox [mailto:tmattox at engr.uky.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 2:05 PM > To: caos at caosity.org > Subject: [cAos] cAos 1.0 - Community Linux Distribution Released > > A new community based Linux distribution, cAos, has been in the > works since early 2003, and is now available for general use. > > 18 Feb 2004 > Today, cAos-1.0 was released on the http://caosity.org/ website. > > cAos is a Linux distribution created by the community, for the > community. The purpose of the cAos project is to provide a stable > Linux solution for organizations and individuals that wish to use > Linux without the purchase of a support contract. cAos is focused > on becoming an enterprise-level community-produced distribution. > > cAos uses the industry standard RPM package management system, with > the user friendly "yum" tool for updating and installing packages. > > Many mirrors in the US and Europe are available, see: > http://caosity.org/mirrors/ > Instructions for using the cAos installer, cinch, are available: > http://caosity.org/docs/ > > Notes about the 1.0 release: > All of the blocking/show-stopping bugs have been resolved, and many > of the developers are already using it in production. With that said, > keep in mind there are many packages outside of the core that are > still stabilizing (thus you may see frequent updates). Please post > bug reports to https://bugzilla.caosity.org/ so that they may be > resolved quickly and don't fall between the cracks. > > > _______________________________________________ > cAos mailing list > cAos at caosity.org > http://www.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/caos > > _______________________________________________ > cAos mailing list > cAos at caosity.org > http://www.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/caos -- Greg M. Kurtzer http://runlevelzero.net/ http://caosity.org/ http://warewulf-cluster.org/ _______________________________________________ cAos mailing list cAos at caosity.org http://www.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/caos From sinner at escomposlinux.org Thu Feb 19 06:59:32 2004 From: sinner at escomposlinux.org (Sinner from the Prairy) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:59:32 -0500 Subject: [cAos] Sample Press Rlease In-Reply-To: <20040218230752.GF9172@linuxmafia.com> References: <200402181749.40869.sinner@escomposlinux.org> <20040218230752.GF9172@linuxmafia.com> Message-ID: <200402190959.33046.sinner@escomposlinux.org> On Wednesday 18 February 2004 06:07 pm, Rick Moen wrote: > But I mostly wanted to mention that one says "that" when speaking of > non-persons, and "who" when speaking of persons. (That is, one should > say "individuals who", not "individuals that".) Thank you for improving my ETL (English as a Third Language.) (no, it's not a joke nor a sarcasm) Salut, Sinner -- Visit my website! http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/ Running on Mandrake Linux 9.2 - Kernel 2.4.22-10mdksmp Linux User # 89976 From sinner at escomposlinux.org Thu Feb 19 07:55:03 2004 From: sinner at escomposlinux.org (Sinner from the Prairy) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 10:55:03 -0500 Subject: [cAos] cAos 1.0 - Community Linux Distribution Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200402191055.05867.sinner@escomposlinux.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 18 February 2004 05:04 pm, Timothy I Mattox wrote: > A new community based Linux distribution, cAos, has been in the > works since early 2003, and is now available for general use. An article, in Spanish, about options to RHES: http://www.planetalinux.com.ar/article-78.html The first one is CentOS :) Also, this article has been published in the "Spanish Slashdot", Barrapunto: http://barrapunto.com/article.pl?sid=04/02/18/0914253 Salut, Sinner - -- Visit my website! http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/ Running on Mandrake Linux 9.2 - Kernel 2.4.22-10mdksmp Linux User # 89976 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFANNxZSGQa4/zQ9e8RAk8MAJ0eXOh3FbUiUmbwnuymCnmaQQ2liQCgwR73 1x0uNnR+A+TeWWuivOx13NA= =hXBd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ctierney at hpti.com Thu Feb 19 09:08:21 2004 From: ctierney at hpti.com (Craig Tierney) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 10:08:21 -0700 Subject: [cAos] cAos 1.0 - Community Linux Distribution Released, no isos? In-Reply-To: <200402191055.05867.sinner@escomposlinux.org> References: <200402191055.05867.sinner@escomposlinux.org> Message-ID: <1077210501.2463.16.camel@hpti7.fsl.noaa.gov> Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is the only way to install cAos now is using the installer (Cinch)? Will iso's of the complete images no longer be created? Thanks, Craig From tmattox at engr.uky.edu Thu Feb 19 09:15:34 2004 From: tmattox at engr.uky.edu (Timothy I Mattox) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 12:15:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: [cAos] cAos 1.0 - Community Linux Distribution Released, no isos? In-Reply-To: <1077210501.2463.16.camel@hpti7.fsl.noaa.gov> Message-ID: The cinch ISO image can be used, see: http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/docs/install/iso/html/ -- Tim Mattox - tmattox at engr.uky.edu - http://homepage.mac.com/tmattox/ http://aggregate.org/KAOS/ - http://advogato.org/person/tmattox/ On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, Craig Tierney wrote: > Sorry if this is a dumb question, but is the only way > to install cAos now is using the installer (Cinch)? Will iso's > of the complete images no longer be created? > > > > Thanks, > Craig From charlieb-caos at budge.apana.org.au Thu Feb 19 12:25:26 2004 From: charlieb-caos at budge.apana.org.au (Charlie Brady) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 15:25:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: cinch (was Re: [cAos] cAos 1.0 - Community Linux Distribution Released, no isos?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, Timothy I Mattox wrote: > The cinch ISO image can be used, see: Yes, the question asked implies that cinch can be used. The question was, however, whether cinch is the only way that cAos-1 can be installed. It's a reasonable question, and my guess is it will be asked multiple times. If cinch-1.7 *is* cAos-1, might it be less confusing if the iso were renamed? --- Charlie From greg at runlevelzero.net Thu Feb 19 12:34:33 2004 From: greg at runlevelzero.net (Greg Kurtzer) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 12:34:33 -0800 Subject: cinch (was Re: [cAos] cAos 1.0 - Community Linux Distribution Released, no isos?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040219203433.GA14163@runlevelzero.net> On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 03:25:26PM -0500, Charlie Brady told me: > > The cinch ISO image can be used, see: > > Yes, the question asked implies that cinch can be used. The question was, > however, whether cinch is the only way that cAos-1 can be installed. Right now it is. If someone wants to fork Anaconda, that would be interesting. ;) > It's a reasonable question, and my guess is it will be asked multiple > times. Probably a good FAQ item. > If cinch-1.7 *is* cAos-1, might it be less confusing if the iso were > renamed? I would like to get away from that. There is no reason that I see to marry a particular cinch version to caos version. However we could possibly make a sym-link for the floppy.img and cinch.iso to the root of the repo... ie: cinch.iso -> cinch/current/cinch.iso floppy.img -> cinch/current/floppy.img Will that make things a bit more intuitive? -- Greg M. Kurtzer http://runlevelzero.net/ http://caosity.org/ http://warewulf-cluster.org/ From charlieb-caos at budge.apana.org.au Thu Feb 19 13:30:50 2004 From: charlieb-caos at budge.apana.org.au (Charlie Brady) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 16:30:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: cinch (was Re: [cAos] cAos 1.0 - Community Linux Distribution Released, no isos?) In-Reply-To: <20040219203433.GA14163@runlevelzero.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, Greg Kurtzer wrote: > On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 03:25:26PM -0500, Charlie Brady told me: > > > The cinch ISO image can be used, see: > > > > Yes, the question asked implies that cinch can be used. The question was, > > however, whether cinch is the only way that cAos-1 can be installed. > > Right now it is. If someone wants to fork Anaconda, that would be interesting. That's already been done for Centos-{2,3}, right? > > It's a reasonable question, and my guess is it will be asked multiple > > times. > > Probably a good FAQ item. I think so. I'd also like more explanation of how cAos-1 relates to Centos-{2,3}. > > If cinch-1.7 *is* cAos-1, might it be less confusing if the iso were > > renamed? > > I would like to get away from that. There is no reason that I see to marry a > particular cinch version to caos version. The current cinch.iso is tied to a particular version, isn't it? > However we could possibly make a > sym-link for the floppy.img and cinch.iso to the root of the repo... ie: > > cinch.iso -> cinch/current/cinch.iso > floppy.img -> cinch/current/floppy.img > > Will that make things a bit more intuitive? I don't see how that adds any identification of cinch.iso to cAos-1. Did you mean cinch.iso -> cAos-1.iso? -- Charlie From greg at runlevelzero.net Thu Feb 19 19:45:50 2004 From: greg at runlevelzero.net (Greg Kurtzer) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:45:50 -0800 Subject: cinch (was Re: [cAos] cAos 1.0 - Community Linux Distribution Released, no isos?) In-Reply-To: References: <20040219203433.GA14163@runlevelzero.net> Message-ID: <20040220034550.GA1092@runlevelzero.net> On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 04:30:50PM -0500, Charlie Brady told me: > > Right now it is. If someone wants to fork Anaconda, that would be interesting. > > That's already been done for Centos-{2,3}, right? Sorta... The CentOS version is not a fork, and the package lists are roughly identical to RHEL. > I think so. I'd also like more explanation of how cAos-1 relates to > Centos-{2,3}. http://caosity.org/index.php?option=faq&task=viewfaq&artid=19&Itemid=5 http://caosity.org/index.php?option=faq&task=viewfaq&artid=13&Itemid=5 There is a start, but your point is well taken. we need more! ;) > > I would like to get away from that. There is no reason that I see to marry a > > particular cinch version to caos version. > > The current cinch.iso is tied to a particular version, isn't it? sorta... It has some of the cAos-1.0 packages on it, but those packages can be swapped out at 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, etc... > > cinch.iso -> cinch/current/cinch.iso > > floppy.img -> cinch/current/floppy.img > > > > Will that make things a bit more intuitive? > > I don't see how that adds any identification of cinch.iso to cAos-1. Did > you mean cinch.iso -> cAos-1.iso? I didn't mean literally in that direction, but yes except that right now there is no cAos-1.iso. Lets back up a bit... What is it that is desired? Is it an installer that has a snapshot of all given packages at a certain release, or is it an /extras/ CDROM that includes the packages? Maybe something else? Thanks! -- Greg M. Kurtzer http://runlevelzero.net/ http://caosity.org/ http://warewulf-cluster.org/ From charlieb-caos at budge.apana.org.au Fri Feb 20 11:09:04 2004 From: charlieb-caos at budge.apana.org.au (Charlie Brady) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:09:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: cinch (was Re: [cAos] cAos 1.0 - Community Linux Distribution Released, no isos?) In-Reply-To: <20040220034550.GA1092@runlevelzero.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, Greg Kurtzer wrote: > On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 04:30:50PM -0500, Charlie Brady told me: > > > Right now it is. If someone wants to fork Anaconda, that would be interesting. > > > > That's already been done for Centos-{2,3}, right? > > Sorta... The CentOS version is not a fork, ... It's a modification of the RedHat package. It's a branch, if not a fork :-) > > I think so. I'd also like more explanation of how cAos-1 relates to > > Centos-{2,3}. > > http://caosity.org/index.php?option=faq&task=viewfaq&artid=19&Itemid=5 This says why cAos is different, but not what is different. Aren't cAos Linux and CentOS competitiors? I suppose that they would be, but what does it matter? They both have different goals, and different niche's. What we like about hosting multiple distros under one umbrella community project is that we are sharing resources, and intermingling a community of developers. This allows greater effeciency and cost savings, not to mention demonstrates one reason why the open source development model is stragecially superior then the propriatary one (you typically don't see competing companies working together like this unless it involves some sort of buy out, or take over). > http://caosity.org/index.php?option=faq&task=viewfaq&artid=13&Itemid=5 This doesn't say anything about cAos-1: What is CentOS-3's relationship with cAos? cAos is a developer community hosted at http://www.caosity.org, and CentOS-3 is one of its projects. So, cAos-1 has been formally released, but what is it? The release announcement tells us why cAos exists, but not what it is (other than "a Linux distribution): cAos is a Linux distribution created by the community, for the community. The purpose of the cAos project is to provide a stable Linux solution for organizations and individuals that wish to use Linux without the purchase of a support contract. cAos is focused on becoming an enterprise-level community-produced distribution. http://www.caosity.org -> Hosted projects -> cAos doesn't tell us either. > > > I would like to get away from that. There is no reason that I see to marry a > > > particular cinch version to caos version. > > > > The current cinch.iso is tied to a particular version, isn't it? > > sorta... It has some of the cAos-1.0 packages on it, but those packages can be > swapped out at 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, etc... But then it wouldn't be the "current" iso, would it? :-) > > > cinch.iso -> cinch/current/cinch.iso > > > floppy.img -> cinch/current/floppy.img > > > > > > Will that make things a bit more intuitive? > > > > I don't see how that adds any identification of cinch.iso to cAos-1. Did > > you mean cinch.iso -> cAos-1.iso? > > I didn't mean literally in that direction, but yes except that right now > there is no cAos-1.iso. I'm suggesting that there should be. Is there any reason that cinch-1.7.iso shouldn't be called cAos-1.iso? > Lets back up a bit... What is it that is desired? Is it an installer that has > a snapshot of all given packages at a certain release, or is it an /extras/ > CDROM that includes the packages? Maybe something else? I think a clearly documented method for installing cAos-1 from iso. --- Charlie From greg at runlevelzero.net Fri Feb 20 15:30:29 2004 From: greg at runlevelzero.net (Greg Kurtzer) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 15:30:29 -0800 Subject: cinch (was Re: [cAos] cAos 1.0 - Community Linux Distribution Released, no isos?) In-Reply-To: References: <20040220034550.GA1092@runlevelzero.net> Message-ID: <20040220233029.GB30772@runlevelzero.net> On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 02:09:04PM -0500, Charlie Brady told me: ... snipping all document related, I see your point. ;) I will post more info about _what_ cAos actually is, technically. ... > > > > I would like to get away from that. There is no reason that I see to marry a > > > > particular cinch version to caos version. > > > > > > The current cinch.iso is tied to a particular version, isn't it? > > > > sorta... It has some of the cAos-1.0 packages on it, but those packages can be > > swapped out at 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, etc... > > But then it wouldn't be the "current" iso, would it? :-) That is kinda my point... there is no such thing as a current iso unless we do nightly builds which I don't like. > > I didn't mean literally in that direction, but yes except that right now > > there is no cAos-1.iso. > > I'm suggesting that there should be. Is there any reason that > cinch-1.7.iso shouldn't be called cAos-1.iso? Only because the cAos iso will change then, and then there is version management. Not a big deal at all, I just think it is unnecessary. Maybe I am wrong. It happens which KainX vouch for. ;) > > Lets back up a bit... What is it that is desired? Is it an installer that has > > a snapshot of all given packages at a certain release, or is it an /extras/ > > CDROM that includes the packages? Maybe something else? > > I think a clearly documented method for installing cAos-1 from iso. "Installing cAos with the cinch CD ISO" http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/docs/install/iso/html/ I thought Troy did a great job with these... What is missing that would help? -- Greg M. Kurtzer http://runlevelzero.net/ http://caosity.org/ http://warewulf-cluster.org/ From mej at kainx.org Fri Feb 20 15:38:23 2004 From: mej at kainx.org (Michael Jennings) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 18:38:23 -0500 Subject: cinch (was Re: [cAos] cAos 1.0 - Community Linux Distribution Released, no isos?) In-Reply-To: <20040220233029.GB30772@runlevelzero.net> References: <20040220034550.GA1092@runlevelzero.net> <20040220233029.GB30772@runlevelzero.net> Message-ID: <20040220233823.GZ3346@kainx.org> On Friday, 20 February 2004, at 15:30:29 (-0800), Greg Kurtzer wrote: > Only because the cAos iso will change then, and then there is > version management. Not a big deal at all, I just think it is > unnecessary. Maybe I am wrong. It happens which KainX vouch for. ;) cAos-1 (or -1.0) denotes a version of the OS core. That core remains constant regardless of changes made to the installer or to other packages. I have no issue with symlinking cAos-1.iso to the most recent (most stable?) cinch-*.iso; however, let's make it clear right now what the "1" in cAos-1 is, and what it is not. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "We both lie silently still in the dead of the night. Although we both lie close together, we feel miles apart inside. Was it something I said or something I did? Did my words not come out right?" -- Poison, "Every Rose Has Its Thorn" From vossenjp at netaxs.com Fri Feb 20 23:44:09 2004 From: vossenjp at netaxs.com (JP Vossen) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 02:44:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: cinch (was Re: [cAos] cAos 1.0 - Community Linux... In-Reply-To: <20040220170001.21746.77416.Mailman@caos1.caosity.org> Message-ID: > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 19:45:50 -0800 > From: Greg Kurtzer > To: caos at caosity.org > Subject: Re: cinch (was Re: [cAos] cAos 1.0 - Community Linux Distribution Released, no isos?) > Reply-To: caos at caosity.org > > On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 04:30:50PM -0500, Charlie Brady told me: > > The current cinch.iso is tied to a particular version, isn't it? > > sorta... It has some of the cAos-1.0 packages on it, but those packages can be > swapped out at 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, etc... > > > > cinch.iso -> cinch/current/cinch.iso > > > floppy.img -> cinch/current/floppy.img > > > > > > Will that make things a bit more intuitive? > Lets back up a bit... What is it that is desired? Is it an installer that has > a snapshot of all given packages at a certain release, or is it an /extras/ > CDROM that includes the packages? Maybe something else? Not sure if this is what the original poster was talking about, but *I* would like to have "cAos in a can" (it's been a looong week)... In other words, 1 or more ISOs I can burn and take to my Mom's house and install cAos on her services server and not tie up her crappy 1 way cable modem for 3 days. It's easy enough for me to rsync the repository locally and install over the wire from that. It's not as easy to have a local copy to carry with you. Not saying it can't be done, but repo snaphots directly usable off the CD would be cool. Make sense? JP ------------------------------|:::======|-------------------------------- JP Vossen, CISSP |:::======| jp{at}jpsdomain{dot}org My Account, My Opinions |=========| http://www.jpsdomain.org/ ------------------------------|=========|-------------------------------- You used to have to reboot the Windows 9.x series every couple of days because it would crash. Now you have to reboot Windows 200x or XP every couple of days because of a patch. How is that better or more stable? From lance at uklinux.net Sat Feb 21 03:53:21 2004 From: lance at uklinux.net (Lance Davis) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:53:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: cinch (was Re: [cAos] cAos 1.0 - Community Linux... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 21 Feb 2004, JP Vossen wrote: > Not sure if this is what the original poster was talking about, but *I* would > like to have "cAos in a can" (it's been a looong week)... In other words, 1 > or more ISOs I can burn and take to my Mom's house and install cAos on her > services server and not tie up her crappy 1 way cable modem for 3 days. > > It's easy enough for me to rsync the repository locally and install over the > wire from that. It's not as easy to have a local copy to carry with you. Not > saying it can't be done, but repo snaphots directly usable off the CD would be > cool. > > Make sense? > JP It does to me - I have been arguing for this, it makes caos accessible to more people who dont have either a fast net connection, or any net connection at all. It also means that cheapbytes etc could start selling it. Splitting it onto multiple cds is non-trivial however as yum doesnt support installation across multiple media. So I am working on a dvd image that will contain a snapshot of caos-1.0, will have the same cinch-iso install, but will also be configured to add extra packages from the repos directly off of the dvd. Lance -- uklinux.net - The ISP of choice for the discerning Linux user. From vossenjp at netaxs.com Mon Feb 23 00:04:36 2004 From: vossenjp at netaxs.com (JP Vossen) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 03:04:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [cAos] YUM and updates and other misc. stuff. Message-ID: It seems like the YUM headers are not in the cAos-1 local copy I got by 'rsync -a rsync://mirror.physics.ncsu.edu/caoslinux/cAos-1 .'. Am I missing something or doing something wrong? Should I not rsync as I did? I was planning on doing an rsync and 'yum update' once a week--that OK? Anyone have any references for a HOWTO do a local cAos-1 repository? I read the following, which helped a lot, but somehow are just not quite what I was looking for. http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/yum_HOWTO/yum_HOWTO/yum_HOWTO.html http://www.charlescurley.com/yum/index.html I'm also looking for more info about yum groups or tasks or whatever. That might be a way to go when adding more security stuff to cAos. My repository is on RH8, so I installed http://linux.duke.edu/projects/yum/download/1.0/yum-1.0.3-1_80.noarch.rpm and ran yum-arch: 'yum-arch -z chilled | tee yum.certified' produced errors? chilled and crazy did not. The 'certified' errors boil down to: ignoring older pkg: i386/file-roller-2.4.2-1.caos.i386.rpm ignoring older pkg: i386/filesystem-2.1.6-2.noarch.rpm ignoring older pkg: i386/initscripts-6.78.1-1.3.caos.i386.rpm ignoring older pkg: i386/kudzu-0.99.36-8.caos.i386.rpm ignoring older pkg: i386/kudzu-devel-0.99.36-8.caos.i386.rpm ignoring older pkg: i386/sed-3.02-10.i386.rpm I'm happy to create a Bugzilla for any of this, but before I waste time I want to me sure it's not ME. Oh, also, every time I run 'yum anything' (e.g. yum list, yum check- update) I get the following. I thought it kept local copies to get stuff every time. I see stuff in /var/cache/yum, but it's still slow and seems to grab header.info every time according to my http access logs. Is my server just slow? Gathering header information file(s) from server(s) Server: certified Finding updated packages Downloading needed headers [root at heinlein /]# cat /etc/yum.conf [main] cachedir=/var/cache/yum debuglevel=2 logfile=/var/log/yum.log pkgpolicy=newest distroverpkg=caos-release installonlypkgs=linux linux-smp kernel kernel-smp [net_certified] name=certified #baseurl=http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-2/certified/i386 baseurl=http://drake/rpms/cAos-1/certified/ WOW. If you actually make it down this far, I thought I read in the list a while ago that nano would be included, but it seems not to be? TIA, JP ------------------------------|:::======|-------------------------------- JP Vossen, CISSP |:::======| jp{at}jpsdomain{dot}org My Account, My Opinions |=========| http://www.jpsdomain.org/ ------------------------------|=========|-------------------------------- You used to have to reboot the Windows 9.x series every couple of days because it would crash. Now you have to reboot Windows 200x or XP every couple of days because of a patch. How is that better or more stable? From herrold at owlriver.com Mon Feb 23 00:07:24 2004 From: herrold at owlriver.com (R P Herrold) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 03:07:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos] YUM and updates and other misc. stuff. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, JP Vossen wrote: > WOW. If you actually make it down this far, I thought I read in the list > a while ago that nano would be included, but it seems not to be? tarballs do not package themselves; is there a Bugzilla RFE for it? -- Russ Herrold From herrold at owlriver.com Mon Feb 23 00:37:18 2004 From: herrold at owlriver.com (R P Herrold) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 03:37:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos] cAos 1.0 - Community Linux Distribution Released, no isos?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, Charlie Brady wrote: > Yes, the question asked implies that cinch can be used. The question was, > however, whether cinch is the only way that cAos-1 can be installed. > > It's a reasonable question, and my guess is it will be asked multiple > times. In addition to the cinch-derived approaches both floppy based, and CD based installs, I have installed using more manual methods of rsyncing a copy to a fdisked and mkfs'd drive and doing bootloader fixup (see: http://www.owlriver.com/tips/rsync-cookbook/) ; by using the ORCyum-chroot-caos script (ftp://ftp.owlriver.com/pub/local/ORC/ORCrebuild/ORCyum-chroot-caos) and doing bootloader fixup; by 'upgrading' with yum from RHL 8.0 (which itself was a new install using anaconda, and the procedure outlined at: http://www.owlriver.com/tips/pxe-install/ -- Russ Herrold From herrold at owlriver.com Mon Feb 23 00:49:38 2004 From: herrold at owlriver.com (R P Herrold) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 03:49:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos] YUM and updates and other misc. stuff. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, JP Vossen wrote: > It seems like the YUM headers are not in the cAos-1 local copy I got by > 'rsync -a rsync://mirror.physics.ncsu.edu/caoslinux/cAos-1 .'. I would think it more effective to mirror just the archives you are going to use as much is of interest only to prople doing developemntal work. I set up a test rsync, to verify the following. But, assuming you may want it all, shouldn't this be: rsync -a rsync://mirror.physics.ncsu.edu/caoslinux/cAos-1/. . to grab the directory containing the yum headers as well? with that approach, I get the headers: creation/joe-2.9.7-12/SRPMS/ certified/i386/headers/tcl-html-0-8.3.5-94.caos.i386.hdr certified/i386/headers/tcllib-0-1.3-94.caos.i386.hdr certified/i386/headers/tclx-0-8.3-94.caos.i386.hdr certified/i386/headers/tcp_wrappers-0-7.6-19.i386.hdr certified/i386/headers/tcpdump-0-3.7.2-2.caos.i386.hdr certified/i386/headers/tcsh-0-6.10-6.i386.hdr certified/i386/headers/telnet-1-0.17-25.i386.hdr certified/i386/headers/telnet-server-1-0.17-25.i386.hdr They may be there and your baseurl is misset as well. Finally, they can be recreated locally with the yum-arch command, but this will confuse later rsync's -- Russ Herrold From lance at uklinux.net Mon Feb 23 02:21:06 2004 From: lance at uklinux.net (Lance Davis) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:21:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos] YUM and updates and other misc. stuff. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, R P Herrold wrote: > On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, JP Vossen wrote: > > > It seems like the YUM headers are not in the cAos-1 local copy I got by > > 'rsync -a rsync://mirror.physics.ncsu.edu/caoslinux/cAos-1 .'. > might it be that it is looking for the -1.0 symlink ??? Lance -- uklinux.net - The ISP of choice for the discerning Linux user. From mhedemark at trueposition.com Mon Feb 23 07:54:58 2004 From: mhedemark at trueposition.com (Hedemark, Magnus) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:54:58 -0500 Subject: [cAos] YUM and updates and other misc. stuff. Message-ID: <9E72DA54A657354DAE751492248657C90119CE70@extpkop02.trueposition.com> JP, Drop me a note offline and I can get into the yum stuff in greater depth. I'm doing a bit with the yum groups already. It's not well documented but it isn't hard at all to learn. I noticed that you might be local to me (your ISP). Are you in the Philly region? I live in DelCo and work in King of Prussia. --Magnus From jtate at dragonstrider.com Mon Feb 23 07:57:14 2004 From: jtate at dragonstrider.com (Joseph Tate) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:57:14 -0500 Subject: [cAos] YUM and updates and other misc. stuff. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <403A22DA.2020609@dragonstrider.com> JP Vossen wrote: > It seems like the YUM headers are not in the cAos-1 local copy I got by > 'rsync -a rsync://mirror.physics.ncsu.edu/caoslinux/cAos-1 .'. > Am I missing something or doing something wrong? Should I not rsync as I > did? I was planning on doing an rsync and 'yum update' once a week--that > OK? > > Anyone have any references for a HOWTO do a local cAos-1 repository? I > read the following, which helped a lot, but somehow are just not quite what > I was looking for. > http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/yum_HOWTO/yum_HOWTO/yum_HOWTO.html > http://www.charlescurley.com/yum/index.html > > I'm also looking for more info about yum groups or tasks or whatever. > That might be a way to go when adding more security stuff to cAos. > > man yum-arch. It's really simple. Do this step immediatly after running rsync, or rsync from a mirror that does have headers. Along this vein though, it makes sense to generate the headers and let the mirrors rsync them too. That way any mirror could be a yum base location, and you have less traffic headed to mirror.caosity.org. As it is, it's not known which mirrors have headers and which don't. I.e. NCSU and ibiblio do not (or did not as of Friday), but caos1.nplus1 and mirror.caosity.org do. Joseph From mhedemark at trueposition.com Mon Feb 23 08:06:12 2004 From: mhedemark at trueposition.com (Hedemark, Magnus) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:06:12 -0500 Subject: [cAos] YUM and updates and other misc. stuff. Message-ID: <9E72DA54A657354DAE751492248657C90119CE71@extpkop02.trueposition.com> Joseph Tate [mailto:jtate at dragonstrider.com] said: > man yum-arch. It's really simple. Do this step immediatly after > running rsync, or rsync from a mirror that does have headers. It's important to note that the yum manpage is having a hard time keeping up with the functionality that yum provides, so for things like 'yum group*' commands, the RTFM approach is useless. From jtate at dragonstrider.com Mon Feb 23 08:09:16 2004 From: jtate at dragonstrider.com (Joseph Tate) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:09:16 -0500 Subject: [cAos] YUM and updates and other misc. stuff. In-Reply-To: <403A22DA.2020609@dragonstrider.com> References: <403A22DA.2020609@dragonstrider.com> Message-ID: <403A25AC.8020001@dragonstrider.com> Joseph Tate wrote: > man yum-arch. It's really simple. Do this step immediatly after > running rsync, or rsync from a mirror that does have headers. > > Along this vein though, it makes sense to generate the headers and let > the mirrors rsync them too. That way any mirror could be a yum base > location, and you have less traffic headed to mirror.caosity.org. As it > is, it's not known which mirrors have headers and which don't. I.e. > NCSU and ibiblio do not (or did not as of Friday), but caos1.nplus1 and > mirror.caosity.org do. Never mind. I see them now. (I wish they were at the same level as the directory holding the RPMS directory though and not at the same level as the RPMS. I.e. like they are for centos-3/build6/updates Joseph From herrold at owlriver.com Mon Feb 23 08:28:06 2004 From: herrold at owlriver.com (R P Herrold) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:28:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos] YUM and updates and other misc. stuff. In-Reply-To: <403A22DA.2020609@dragonstrider.com> References: <403A22DA.2020609@dragonstrider.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Joseph Tate wrote: > Along this vein though, it makes sense to generate the headers and let > the mirrors rsync them too. That way any mirror could be a yum base > location, and you have less traffic headed to mirror.caosity.org. As it > is, it's not known which mirrors have headers and which don't. I.e. > NCSU and ibiblio do not (or did not as of Friday), but caos1.nplus1 and > mirror.caosity.org do. One impediment is that mirroring may well be hosted on a system with a sysadmin who is unwilling or unable to run the requisite python and yum combination. The tiny incremental load represented by mirroring the headers is dwarfed by any package carrying even a small collection of graphical images. An additional complicating factor of the common xmlized header analog roll-ing is also on the near horizon for yum, and will change things even more. -- Russ Herrold From herrold at owlriver.com Mon Feb 23 09:51:15 2004 From: herrold at owlriver.com (R P Herrold) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:51:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [cAos] posting of buildroot-theory.txt from #caos IRC Sunday Message-ID: I rattled off a bit of my thoughts on clean buildroots, initial local packager testing of packagings, and non-root building for dtaadevil; Here is the content for those not reading the IRC scrollback all the time: 02/22/04 17:48:15 There was a general question on using buildroots locally to test a candidate before sending it up to the temple for a build. The theory is this: 02/22/04 17:49:22 1. Establish a local buildroot master -- script to do so available at: ftp://ftp.owlriver.com/pub/local/ORC/ORCrebuild/ORCyum-chroot-caos 02/22/04 17:49:43 or get added to the rsync rights of the master on the caos server (takes some time - ping gmkurtzer in IRC channel) 02/22/04 17:50:42 2. Take a clean working COPY of that buildchroot master EVERY time -- either with an rsync --dodeletes freshening of one used before, or by rm -rf'ing the old one away, looking for errors, and rsyncing a new one over top of it 02/22/04 17:51:49 3. Make it useable non-root, and possibly lock down root access (that is, an adduser inside the buildroot and build env setup *./rpmbuild{SOURCES|SPECS|...} and ./.rpmmacros setup ; and passwd -l root inside the chroot 02/22/04 17:53:30 [locking the root account in the build chroot is necessary, or else it is trivial to escape from the buildroot as a non-priv'd user] The suggestion exists here that an overmounted build environment may also address getting a clean and safe buildchroot, but running code has not been posted to me yet. 02/22/04 17:55:07 sounds good :-) 02/22/04 17:55:12 need to let is sink in 02/22/04 17:55:22 4. Pre-populate the copy of the build chroot with any additional 'hint' packages (or if the buildhint is a file buildhint, the owning package, relevant to that file; AND any files enumerated in the .spec file as a BuildReq; and optionally, if .spec file BuildHints are accepted into .specfile syntax, any listed there. 02/22/04 17:56:02 5. Switch user into the building user within the copy of the build chroot, and build from the .spec file, and not with an rpmbuild --rebuild ...src.rpm; sample code doing this is at: ftp://ftp.owlriver.com/pub/local/ORC/ORCrebuild/ORCbuildit see the code starting: chroot $BUILDROOT/$TEMP sudo -u builder rpmbuild near the bottom of the major loop 02/22/04 17:57:32 6. As a matter of debugging, the stdout, the stderror, the package manifest present, and (not presently implemented, but coming) the build env and $0 used are all to be captured into files within the copy of the build chroot This harkens on getting information for reviewers ad debuggers, mentioned back at: http://www.owlriver.com/projects/packaging/fedora-flow.txt many moons ago. Other approaches exist as well: http://www.owlriver.com/projects/packaging/rhel-r-build-systems.html 02/22/04 17:59:08 7 Once done, back in the outside environment, (as root) harvest all the items in step 6, and all items found by ` find copy-of-build-chroot/~builduser/rpmbuild/ -name '*rpm' ` , and treat those as the 'fruit' of the build 02/22/04 17:59:31 8. Testing of that fruit should occur locally 02/22/04 18:00:16 9. Once a packager is happy with it, send ONLY the ...src.rpm up to the temple builder; and annotate the missing HINTs only using the webbish form 02/22/04 18:01:35 [The reason to seek a BuildHint: tag inside rpm .spec file, is that way a complete bundle, wrapped in the result .SRPM file would contain everything (excluding $0 and ENV information) used to produce that SRPM] Another approach of queriable buildhints has also been discussed, and may supplant this caveat. 02/22/04 18:03:54 10. The temple state is examined by the builder (and in the future, I am working on code to permit ANY buildnode to examine the 'queue' with a matrix of needed to test arch, and product, and release level, and do test builds on an automated bases -- somewhat like the Mozilla, the glibc, and the kernel Bonsai testing buiders; getting error reports back to the temple will 'close the loop' there; this gets up trans-arch capable packages with little more than fixing errors by the packagers 02/22/04 18:04:19 -end of description- -- /me will prepare a formal document 02/22/04 18:04:39 coments and critique welcomed 02/22/04 18:09:28 btw 02/22/04 18:09:40 why not use chroot instead of the user build? 02/22/04 18:10:45 datadevil: I use both a copy of the chroot, and build as non-root user, to make sure it cannot'cheat' and pollute its environment 02/22/04 18:12:13 k 02/22/04 18:12:20 KainX, care to comment? 02/22/04 18:14:10 datadevil: /me is hoping for mezz integration as well for better SCM integration, but the higher the bar is raised, the fewer people will be able to set up automated buildnodes 02/22/04 18:17:01 orc_orc, yeah 02/22/04 18:17:09 orc_orc, well, mezz is lowering the bar imho 02/22/04 18:17:13 if documented well enough 02/22/04 18:19:20 datadevil: everything in my outline is simple shell scripting; one has to solve CVS learning curve to use mezz effectively; same issue with PDR; /me thinks mezz and PDR are great tools, but have had slow adoption because of 1) light doco, 2) learning curve issues 02/22/04 18:24:17 orc_orc: list the documents that are needed and maybe we can get people to write them up -- on the web site, I mean This poted to the mailing list for troj to catch and start fleshing out. 02/22/04 18:25:28 if the list is known, I guess 02/22/04 18:27:25 orc_orc, ok, then i want an advanced version as well 02/22/04 18:30:53 btw, i'd really like mezz to switch to svn asap 02/22/04 18:33:05 datadevil: patches welcome ;) cvs of current Mezz is available at: cvs.colug.net; commit rights against head ok by me with KainX' 'okay' -- accounts for this freely given 13:58 * datadevil wondering whether to update the buildroot using yum with both certified and crazy 14:00 @orc_orc> datadevil: There is a manifest of the exact contents of the current buildroot at: http://www.caosity.org/buildroot-1-manifest.txt -- updated hourly -- match that; anything not in that manifest is a HINT 14:02 @orc_orc> walk a yum -t install ` wget -O - \ http://www.caosity.org/buildroot-1-manifest.txt | awk \ '{print $1}' | grep -v ^# ` and you are as up to date as you should be 14:04 datadevil> i always just sync the buildroot 14:04 datadevil> the thing is 14:04 datadevil> yum needs headers, be it using hints or buildrequires.... 14:06 @orc_orc> datadevil: yes - issue is known; that is why I concluded to build locally and to ONLY work production in a clean COPY of the local master -- much faster, and bandwidth friendlier to boot From vossenjp at netaxs.com Mon Feb 23 12:31:03 2004 From: vossenjp at netaxs.com (JP Vossen) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 15:31:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [cAos] Re: Nano (was YUM and updates...) Message-ID: > Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 03:07:24 -0500 (EST) > From: R P Herrold > To: cAosity > Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos] YUM and updates and other misc. stuff. > Reply-To: caos at caosity.org > > On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, JP Vossen wrote: > > > WOW. If you actually make it down this far, I thought I read in the list > > a while ago that nano would be included, but it seems not to be? > > tarballs do not package themselves; is there a Bugzilla RFE > for it? Wouldn't it be great if they did? I didn't want to enter a BZ if I was just doing something dumb... Created Bug 452. What's RFE mean? Later, JP ------------------------------|:::======|-------------------------------- JP Vossen, CISSP |:::======| jp{at}jpsdomain{dot}org My Account, My Opinions |=========| http://www.jpsdomain.org/ ------------------------------|=========|-------------------------------- You used to have to reboot the Windows 9.x series every couple of days because it would crash. Now you have to reboot Windows 200x or XP every couple of days because of a patch. How is that better or more stable? From m.stolte at datadevil.demon.nl Mon Feb 23 18:44:40 2004 From: m.stolte at datadevil.demon.nl (Maarten Stolte) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:44:40 -0500 Subject: [cAos] Re: Nano (was YUM and updates...) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <403ABA98.4040209@datadevil.demon.nl> >>>nano would be included, but it seems not to be? >>> >>> >>tarballs do not package themselves; is there a Bugzilla RFE >>for it? >> >> > >Wouldn't it be great if they did? I didn't want to enter a BZ if I was just >doing something dumb... Created Bug 452. What's RFE mean? > > > request for enhancement From Matthew.Bond at gahanna.gov Tue Feb 24 10:16:17 2004 From: Matthew.Bond at gahanna.gov (Matthew Bond) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:16:17 -0500 Subject: [cAos] YUM?? Message-ID: <79E1508694A19E4FA27CE33431A53CEBDC3262@be-01.gahanna.gov> What does YUM stand for? Matthew Bond Network Technician (614) 342-4072 matthew.bond at gahanna.gov From chrish at trilug.org Tue Feb 24 10:20:38 2004 From: chrish at trilug.org (Magnus Hedemark) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:20:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: [cAos] YUM?? In-Reply-To: <79E1508694A19E4FA27CE33431A53CEBDC3262@be-01.gahanna.gov> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Matthew Bond wrote: > What does YUM stand for? Hint: it is the very first line of text if you RTFM. From herrold at owlriver.com Tue Feb 24 10:46:42 2004 From: herrold at owlriver.com (R P Herrold) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:46:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos] Re: Nano (was YUM and updates...) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, JP Vossen wrote: > Wouldn't it be great if they did? I didn't want to enter a BZ if I was just > doing something dumb... Created Bug 452. What's RFE mean? Request For Enhancement -- Russ Herrold From tru at pasteur.fr Tue Feb 24 11:22:30 2004 From: tru at pasteur.fr (Tru Huynh) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:22:30 +0100 Subject: [cAos] (long) RedHat 7.3 -> cAos-1 (chilled) nearly ok Message-ID: <20040224202230.A424@xiii.bis.pasteur.fr> Hi, I just wanted to let you know that with minor tweaks, one can upgrade the base Red Hat 7.3 into cAos-1 (I only tried chilled). 1) - install the minimal 7.3 2) - install yum for 7.3 3) - add to /etc/yum.conf your favorite mirror. I had to remove (rpm -e) several packages to allow yum -y upgrade to finish. /var/log/yum.conf 02/24/04 19:05:31 Erased: gnupg.i386 02/24/04 19:05:31 Erased: perl-DB_File.i386 02/24/04 19:05:31 Erased: logwatch.noarch 02/24/04 19:05:31 Erased: perl-suidperl.i386 02/24/04 19:05:31 Erased: perl-CGI.i386 02/24/04 19:05:31 Erased: perl-CPAN.i386 02/24/04 19:05:31 Erased: perl-NDBM_File.i386 02/24/04 19:05:31 Erased: perl.i386 02/24/04 19:05:31 Erased: gnupg.i386 02/24/04 19:05:31 Erased: perl-DB_File.i386 02/24/04 19:05:31 Erased: logwatch.noarch 02/24/04 19:05:31 Erased: perl-suidperl.i386 02/24/04 19:05:31 Erased: perl-CGI.i386 02/24/04 19:05:31 Erased: perl-CPAN.i386 02/24/04 19:05:31 Erased: perl-NDBM_File.i386 02/24/04 19:05:31 Erased: perl.i386 ... 4) - yum -y upgrade (yum version is now 2 and rpm 4.1) caveats: + libattr is not updated, you will have to install it yourself with "yum -y install libattr". Otherwise /bin/ls will not work :( + caos-release is not added, and when installed does not remove redhat-release. + the new kernel is not installed "yum -y install linux" 5) - "yum -y grouplist" works :) great! 6) - "yum -y groupinstall core" 7) - "yum -y groupinstall base" fails with emacs needs libpng12.so.0 (not provided) pilot-links needs libtcl.so.0 (not provided) pilot-links needs libtk.so.0 (not provided) even after manually installing the libpng, tcl and tk packages with "yum -y install libpng tcl tk" "yum -y groupinstall base" still fails :( yum -y install pilot-link fails :( tcl and tk do not provide libtcl.so.0 libtk.so.0, bit pilot-links does not requires neither tcl nor tk... [tru at xiii i386]$ rpm --provides -qp tcl-8.3.5-94.caos.i386.rpm libtcl8.3.so tcl = 8.3.5-94.caos [tru at xiii i386]$ rpm --provides -qp tk-8.3.5-94.caos.i386.rpm libtk8.3.so tk = 8.3.5-94.caos [tru at xiii cAos-1]$ rpm --requires -qp ./chilled/i386/pilot-link-0.11.8-2.caos.i386.rpm /sbin/ldconfig /sbin/ldconfig /sbin/ldconfig libc.so.6 libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.0) libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.1) libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.1.3) libm.so.6 libncurses.so.5 libpisock++.so.0 libpisock.so.8 libreadline.so.4 libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) <= 3.0.4-1 rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) <= 4.0-1 Best regards, Tru -- Dr Tru Huynh | http://www.pasteur.fr/recherche/unites/Binfs/ mailto:tru at pasteur.fr | tel/fax +33 1 45 68 87 37/19 Institut Pasteur, 25-28 rue du Docteur Roux, 75724 Paris CEDEX 15 France From tru at pasteur.fr Tue Feb 24 11:36:24 2004 From: tru at pasteur.fr (Tru Huynh) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:36:24 +0100 Subject: [cAos] (long) RedHat 7.3 -> cAos-1 (chilled) nearly ok In-Reply-To: <20040224202230.A424@xiii.bis.pasteur.fr>; from tru@pasteur.fr on Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 08:22:30PM +0100 References: <20040224202230.A424@xiii.bis.pasteur.fr> Message-ID: <20040224203624.A5729@xiii.bis.pasteur.fr> On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 08:22:30PM +0100, Tru Huynh wrote: replying to myself :( > yum -y install pilot-link fails :( after a yum clean headers, it worked... but emacs still fails (???) [tru at xiii cAos-1]$ rpm --requires -qp ./certified/i386/emacs-21.3-5.caos.i386.rpm | grep libpng12 libpng12.so.0 [tru at xiii cAos-1]$ rpm --provides -qp ./chilled/i386/libpng-1.2.2-18.caos.i386.rpm | grep libpng12 libpng12.so.0 Next tries tomorrow. Tru -- Dr Tru Huynh | http://www.pasteur.fr/recherche/unites/Binfs/ mailto:tru at pasteur.fr | tel/fax +33 1 45 68 87 37/19 Institut Pasteur, 25-28 rue du Docteur Roux, 75724 Paris CEDEX 15 France From rick at linuxmafia.com Tue Feb 24 11:45:20 2004 From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 11:45:20 -0800 Subject: [cAos] YUM?? In-Reply-To: <79E1508694A19E4FA27CE33431A53CEBDC3262@be-01.gahanna.gov> References: <79E1508694A19E4FA27CE33431A53CEBDC3262@be-01.gahanna.gov> Message-ID: <20040224194520.GH5889@linuxmafia.com> Quoting Matthew Bond (Matthew.Bond at gahanna.gov): > What does YUM stand for? Yellowdog Updater, Modified. -- Cheers, Founding member of the Hyphenation Society, a grassroots-based, Rick Moen not-for-profit, locally-owned-and-operated, cooperatively-managed, rick at linuxmafia.com modern-American-English-usage-improvement association. From charlieb-caos at budge.apana.org.au Tue Feb 24 12:30:49 2004 From: charlieb-caos at budge.apana.org.au (Charlie Brady) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 15:30:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [cAos] (long) RedHat 7.3 -> cAos-1 (chilled) nearly ok In-Reply-To: <20040224202230.A424@xiii.bis.pasteur.fr> Message-ID: On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Tru Huynh wrote: > + caos-release is not added, and when installed does not remove > redhat-release. This was in bugzilla (and fixed) for centos3. caos-release needs Obsoletes: and Provides: headers. --- Charlie