From mitjas at gmail.com Wed Aug 4 11:42:54 2004 From: mitjas at gmail.com (Mitja Sladovic) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 20:42:54 +0200 Subject: [cAos] nforce eth0 & centos Message-ID: <871cbdb5040804114274bfe16b@mail.gmail.com> Hi all! Does someone use forcedeth driver for nforce network card on CentOS-3.1? Some known problems? Nvidia's driver sux (can't change MTU) so I'm trying to use forcedeth... http://www.hailfinger.org/carldani/linux/patches/forcedeth/ Thanks a lot! Mitja -- If Linux doesn't have the solution, you have the wrong problem. From gravesricharde at yahoo.com Fri Aug 6 14:45:57 2004 From: gravesricharde at yahoo.com (Rick Graves) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 14:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [cAos] cAos installation In-Reply-To: <20040805120000.12211.52050.Mailman@caos1.caosity.org> Message-ID: <20040806214557.6016.qmail@web14715.mail.yahoo.com> Hey, Last weekend, I did two cAos-1 installs, the first time in several months. I downloaded the most recent ISO, as the one up there was newer than the one I had. Two questions: 1) Is installation from the CD (as opposed to downloading all the RPM's via YUM) no longer an option? (I was not given the option during the two installs.) 2) Will cinch for cAos-2 fix setting the time zone? (I had to look this up in Bugzilla.) If not (or if cAos-2 is not expected to be out shortly), I would write a FAQ on how to do this. Thanks, Rick From greg at runlevelzero.net Fri Aug 6 18:47:44 2004 From: greg at runlevelzero.net (Greg Kurtzer) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 18:47:44 -0700 Subject: [cAos] cAos installation In-Reply-To: <20040806214557.6016.qmail@web14715.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040805120000.12211.52050.Mailman@caos1.caosity.org> <20040806214557.6016.qmail@web14715.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040807014744.GB15306@runlevelzero.net> We have had some interesting discussion on IRC about cinch lately. We have two directions that we can go as far as cinch is concerned (or both)... 1. Stay on current path with a minimal floppy/cdrom bootstrapping install. 2. Create a live Knoppix or LNX-BBC which will boot into a live cAos system, and from there have the installation scripts for cinch. There are arguments for both, but something that I wanted to mention was regarding automated installs. It occurred to me when I was coding cinch to handle auto installs that the installer is not very well suited to this, and a possibly better alternative is something that is designed for operating system replication (ie. system imager or ghost). Any thoughts? On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 02:45:57PM -0700, Rick Graves told me: > Hey, > > Last weekend, I did two cAos-1 installs, the first > time in several months. I downloaded the most recent > ISO, as the one up there was newer than the one I had. > > > Two questions: > > 1) Is installation from the CD (as opposed to > downloading all the RPM's via YUM) no longer an > option? (I was not given the option during the two > installs.) > > 2) Will cinch for cAos-2 fix setting the time zone? > (I had to look this up in Bugzilla.) If not (or if > cAos-2 is not expected to be out shortly), I would > write a FAQ on how to do this. > > Thanks, > > Rick > _______________________________________________ > cAos mailing list > cAos at caosity.org > http://www.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/caos -- Greg M. Kurtzer http://runlevelzero.net/ http://caosity.org/ http://warewulf-cluster.org/ From trey at fastmail.fm Fri Aug 6 20:19:18 2004 From: trey at fastmail.fm (Trey Sizemore) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 23:19:18 -0400 Subject: [cAos] Ping? Message-ID: <20040806231918.35cb8346@linux.site> Hadn't seen anything on the list in quite a while. -- Cheers, Trey Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they AREN'T after you. Linux linux 2.6.5-25cvs20040728163444-default #1 Wed Jul 28 16:34:44 UTC 2004 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux 11:18pm up 5 days 2:57, 3 users, load average: 0.32, 0.19, 0.29 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://lists.infiscale.org/pipermail/caos/attachments/20040806/9fd10cd1/attachment.bin From greg at runlevelzero.net Fri Aug 6 20:37:09 2004 From: greg at runlevelzero.net (Greg Kurtzer) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 20:37:09 -0700 Subject: [cAos] Ping? In-Reply-To: <20040806231918.35cb8346@linux.site> References: <20040806231918.35cb8346@linux.site> Message-ID: <20040807033709.GE15306@runlevelzero.net> Yea, the developers have been _very_ busy in IRC building cAos-2. I guess this is a good time for a status update. Well, we just finished Linux World Expo in San Francisco, and it was a great success! We had lots of people come to the booth that were already users, as well as people that we could introduce to caos. I wanted to thank Michael and Geoff (KainX and galitz respectively) for their efforts and making the caos booth very successful! BTW, we had a cAos2 demo. This was the first cAos2 system ever installed, and it was a huge success! The system was a joy to use, and very impressive to see running. cAos2 development is going very well, and if you haven't noticed you can find a cAos-2 repository on the mirrors. This repo is growing every day by leaps and bounds and is already installable (not easily installable, but if your good you can bootstrap from caos1 or centos3). We used many of the lessons learned from cAos-1 as well as from the other distros to build the architecture of cAos2. For instance, something that we learned was that when allowing non-core OS developers contributing directly to the system, there must be a way of keeping the foundation of the OS clean and stable. Thus came the caos core. The core is the part of the base OS that is only developed by our core developers. It is the core which is the foundation to the rest of the operating system, because the entire OS is developed on it. The system itself remains constant and stable, while the package maintainers maintain the extended OS which can be dynamic. As of now, we have the core defined and fully self hosting on 2 architectures (x86_64 and ia32). Package maintainers are already committing packages to the cAos-2 CVS, and auto-builders are cranking away! Thus, if you have _any_ packages in which you want to contribute to cAos-2, please jump into IRC and let us know (or email). All potential package maintainers should be speaking up. Again, I will mention that IRC is very active for cAos, and if anyone wants to join, we have a large abundance of great talent and personalities that hang out there. A great environment for development and learning. Feel free to join us at irc.freenode.net, #caos! Greg On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 11:19:18PM -0400, Trey Sizemore told me: > Hadn't seen anything on the list in quite a while. > > > -- > Cheers, > Trey > > Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they AREN'T after you. > > Linux linux 2.6.5-25cvs20040728163444-default #1 Wed Jul 28 16:34:44 UTC 2004 > i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux > 11:18pm up 5 days 2:57, 3 users, load average: 0.32, 0.19, 0.29 -- Greg M. Kurtzer http://runlevelzero.net/ http://caosity.org/ http://warewulf-cluster.org/ From jrw at nplus1.net Sat Aug 7 13:48:32 2004 From: jrw at nplus1.net (Jacob Robert Wilkins) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 16:48:32 -0400 Subject: [cAos] cAos installation In-Reply-To: <20040807014744.GB15306@runlevelzero.net> References: <20040805120000.12211.52050.Mailman@caos1.caosity.org> <20040806214557.6016.qmail@web14715.mail.yahoo.com> <20040807014744.GB15306@runlevelzero.net> Message-ID: <20040807204832.GA30773@nplus1.net> On Fri, Aug 06, 2004 at 06:47:44PM -0700, Greg Kurtzer wrote: > There are arguments for both, but something that I wanted to mention was > regarding automated installs. It occurred to me when I was coding cinch to > handle auto installs that the installer is not very well suited to this, and a > possibly better alternative is something that is designed for operating > system replication (ie. system imager or ghost). > > Any thoughts? Ghost isn't open source, and you really don't have to do anything to "support ghost" anyway. System Imager is very good at what it does, its also a freaking beast. I'm using it for keeping images in a classroom. There is a lot of work involved it setting up an image server. Unless a lot of automation were written around SI, it'd be impossible for anyone except an expirienced Linux admin to set it up. No n00bs allowed. Surely there is a solution simpler than using SI. jrw From gravesricharde at yahoo.com Sat Aug 7 14:44:57 2004 From: gravesricharde at yahoo.com (Rick Graves) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 14:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [cAos] cAos-2 & Cinch In-Reply-To: <20040807120000.32314.57148.Mailman@caos1.caosity.org> Message-ID: <20040807214457.62313.qmail@web14704.mail.yahoo.com> Greg, I put two news items on the web site home page based on your update, one about the Linux World Expo and another entitled "cAos-2 almost ready". Are you OK with the second title? The big, yet-to-be-resolved Cinch issues are over my head. If you are OK with the second title, an FAQ on how to set the time zone in cAos can wait. Rick From landman at scalableinformatics.com Sat Aug 7 15:31:50 2004 From: landman at scalableinformatics.com (Joe Landman) Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 18:31:50 -0400 Subject: [cAos] cAos installation In-Reply-To: <20040807204832.GA30773@nplus1.net> References: <20040805120000.12211.52050.Mailman@caos1.caosity.org> <20040806214557.6016.qmail@web14715.mail.yahoo.com> <20040807014744.GB15306@runlevelzero.net> <20040807204832.GA30773@nplus1.net> Message-ID: <41155856.4080400@scalableinformatics.com> Jacob Robert Wilkins wrote: > >System Imager is very good at what it does, its also a freaking beast. >I'm using it for keeping images in a classroom. There is a lot of work >involved it setting up an image server. Unless a lot of automation were >written around SI, it'd be impossible for anyone except an expirienced >Linux admin to set it up. No n00bs allowed. > > I agree. Even with advanced understanding of setting up an image server, imaging itself brings in a whole new set of problems that you really don't want to have. Joe From maillists at crescentdigital.com Sun Aug 8 06:47:45 2004 From: maillists at crescentdigital.com (Jeff Maze) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 09:47:45 -0400 Subject: [cAos] YUM Update In-Reply-To: <20040715190512.GD15433@kainx.org> Message-ID: <20040808095023.SM01216@jeffslaptop> Hello, I'm getting the following error: Warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 025e513b Error: Could not find the GPG Key necessary to validate pkg /var/cache/yum/update/packages/libstdc++-3.2.3-39.i386.rpm Error: You may want to run yum clean or remove the file: /var/cache/yum/update/packages/libstdc++-3.2.3-39.i386.rpm Error: You may also check that you have the correct GPG keys installed Looks like I have to update the GPG keys (is this correct?). Where can I get them from? Thanks.. From mike at semaniuk.com Sun Aug 8 18:52:25 2004 From: mike at semaniuk.com (Michael J. Semaniuk) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 21:52:25 -0400 Subject: [cAos] YUM Update References: <20040808095023.SM01216@jeffslaptop> Message-ID: <000b01c47db3$87ea1720$cf0aa8c0@lotr> This took care of it for me... rpm --import http://mirror.centos.org/centos/3.1/i386/RPM-GPG-KEY-CentOS-3 -Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Maze" To: Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:47 AM Subject: [cAos] YUM Update > Hello, > I'm getting the following error: > > Warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 025e513b > Error: Could not find the GPG Key necessary to validate pkg > /var/cache/yum/update/packages/libstdc++-3.2.3-39.i386.rpm > Error: You may want to run yum clean or remove the file: > /var/cache/yum/update/packages/libstdc++-3.2.3-39.i386.rpm > Error: You may also check that you have the correct GPG keys installed > > Looks like I have to update the GPG keys (is this correct?). Where > can I get them from? > Thanks.. > > > _______________________________________________ > cAos mailing list > cAos at caosity.org > http://www.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/caos > From webmaster at primednr.com Sun Aug 8 19:31:12 2004 From: webmaster at primednr.com (Webmaster - PrimeDNR.com) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 10:31:12 +0800 Subject: [cAos] YUM Update In-Reply-To: <000b01c47db3$87ea1720$cf0aa8c0@lotr> Message-ID: As I remembered , you need to login as root user before you can import "KEY" and do Yum update. A general user does not have the right to do YUM update. Regards -----Original Message----- From: caos-admin at caosity.org [mailto:caos-admin at caosity.org]On Behalf Of Michael J. Semaniuk Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 9:52 AM To: caos at caosity.org Subject: Re: [cAos] YUM Update This took care of it for me... rpm --import http://mirror.centos.org/centos/3.1/i386/RPM-GPG-KEY-CentOS-3 -Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Maze" To: Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:47 AM Subject: [cAos] YUM Update > Hello, > I'm getting the following error: > > Warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 025e513b > Error: Could not find the GPG Key necessary to validate pkg > /var/cache/yum/update/packages/libstdc++-3.2.3-39.i386.rpm > Error: You may want to run yum clean or remove the file: > /var/cache/yum/update/packages/libstdc++-3.2.3-39.i386.rpm > Error: You may also check that you have the correct GPG keys installed > > Looks like I have to update the GPG keys (is this correct?). Where > can I get them from? > Thanks.. > > > _______________________________________________ > cAos mailing list > cAos at caosity.org > http://www.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/caos > _______________________________________________ cAos mailing list cAos at caosity.org http://www.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/caos From mike at semaniuk.com Sun Aug 8 19:32:55 2004 From: mike at semaniuk.com (Michael J. Semaniuk) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 22:32:55 -0400 Subject: [cAos] YUM Update References: Message-ID: <000901c47db9$2d6b6050$cf0aa8c0@lotr> Absolutely correct. -Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Webmaster - PrimeDNR.com" To: Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 10:31 PM Subject: RE: [cAos] YUM Update > As I remembered , you need to login as root user before you can import "KEY" and do Yum update. > > > A general user does not have the right to do YUM update. > > > Regards > > -----Original Message----- > From: caos-admin at caosity.org [mailto:caos-admin at caosity.org]On Behalf Of Michael J. Semaniuk > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 9:52 AM > To: caos at caosity.org > Subject: Re: [cAos] YUM Update > > > This took care of it for me... > > rpm --import http://mirror.centos.org/centos/3.1/i386/RPM-GPG-KEY-CentOS-3 > > -Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Maze" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:47 AM > Subject: [cAos] YUM Update > > > > Hello, > > I'm getting the following error: > > > > Warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 025e513b > > Error: Could not find the GPG Key necessary to validate pkg > > /var/cache/yum/update/packages/libstdc++-3.2.3-39.i386.rpm > > Error: You may want to run yum clean or remove the file: > > /var/cache/yum/update/packages/libstdc++-3.2.3-39.i386.rpm > > Error: You may also check that you have the correct GPG keys installed > > > > Looks like I have to update the GPG keys (is this correct?). Where > > can I get them from? > > Thanks.. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > cAos mailing list > > cAos at caosity.org > > http://www.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/caos > > > _______________________________________________ > cAos mailing list > cAos at caosity.org > http://www.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/caos > > > pTSSj?,?????-??? From greg at runlevelzero.net Thu Aug 12 08:24:17 2004 From: greg at runlevelzero.net (Greg Kurtzer) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:24:17 -0700 Subject: [cAos] Re: [Centos] suggestions for CentOS In-Reply-To: <002201c48070$b761a9e0$2250543f@cpu761> References: <001a01c48041$66be65c0$1d00a8c0@apocalypse> <002201c48070$b761a9e0$2250543f@cpu761> Message-ID: <20040812152417.GB22786@runlevelzero.net> I am sorry to say that I don't agree that a separate website is the right path. I will however _strongly_ agree that the site needs much work and organization, and we are in the progress of building a new infrastructure at the moment. Centos is a hosted project by the cAos Foundation. There are several hosted projects by the foundation, and they are all leveraging from one another. To make the distinct appearance that any of the projects is a standalone entity would be misleading, and I don't think would do justice for any of the projects or foundation as a whole. Another thought comes from a higher view. Think of the foundation as a company that isn't in the business of turning profit. But the company is in the business of staying alive and growing to support the projects. Pulling Centos strictly from caosity.org may give the appearance that centos (or caos linux) is not part of a team effort. I think that this is important to the foundation because as I mentioned, the foundation needs to survive. At this point, Centos is bringing in _very_ few donations to the foundation (even though it is very well known and utilized). Pulling it further away from the foundation I don't think is gonna help. I hate to bring up donations, but one of my first priorities is to have the Foundation be able to support itself. At the moment, the developers are paying the bills for the foundation, AND donating their time and code. Why should the developers be supporting the Foundation, when there are so many users making use of it? hurmm? (https://caos.kintera.org/) So, the fix... We are in the process of building a completely new web site and content management system. This will solve many of the problems that have been brought up, and will make it easier to find what you need about each of the hosted projects. An FAQ and Wiki system are also both in the plan as well. Lets bring site layouts up again after the new site has been finished, and the new content has been populated. I estimate it is still 1-2 months away from completion, but you will see changes starting in the next week or two. On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 08:31:45AM -0500, scott.list told me: > > > I am in favour of a completely separate website for CentOS , at > > > www.centos.org , obviously linked to the caosity website. > > > > > > This is the only way IMHO to avoid the current confusion. > > > > > > > This is even better, because it's true that once people hear about > CentOS3, > > the fact that there is another distrib suggested, he is quite > confused. > > To have a website completely dedicated to CentOS 3 is far better > because > > these OSes are so different that they are worth having their own > websites. > > I also agree that separating them would be best. Perhaps a "plug" for > the other on the respective websites and that's all. I am also very > pleased with CentOS and feel there would be a huge following with only > a little extra work on the website. I looked at all the other RHEL > distros and tried installing each, I liked this one the best. I'm not > a newbe but not a guru either. As an example, when looking for the > CentOS maillist, I had a hard time even finding it existed on the > website (even though I was subscribed to it already so I knew it > existed). > > I think a more current FAQ would be nice. I think a common question > to add to it is "what can I ask on the Redhat lists vs. what should be > asked on this list?". > > HTH. Thanks to all who put this together and are making it work. > > Cheers, > Scott > > > _______________________________________________ > CentOS mailing list > CentOS at caosity.org > http://www.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/centos -- Greg M. Kurtzer http://runlevelzero.net/ http://caosity.org/ http://warewulf-cluster.org/ From greg at runlevelzero.net Thu Aug 12 08:50:36 2004 From: greg at runlevelzero.net (Greg Kurtzer) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:50:36 -0700 Subject: [cAos] Re: [Centos] suggestions for CentOS (project relationships) In-Reply-To: <411B907F.4090301@mcgaugh.org> References: <001a01c48041$66be65c0$1d00a8c0@apocalypse> <002201c48070$b761a9e0$2250543f@cpu761> <20040812152417.GB22786@runlevelzero.net> <411B907F.4090301@mcgaugh.org> Message-ID: <20040812155036.GE22786@runlevelzero.net> On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 10:45:03AM -0500, Rocky McGaugh told me: > I do see both points. > > For those of us in the know, understanding the relationship between the > cAos Foundation and the cAos Community and the cAos Project and the > CentOS Project is as clear as the relationship between the Mozilla > Foundation and the Mozilla Community and the Mozilla project (product) > and the Bugzilla project. > > The same relationships exist with Apache, where there is a foundation, > community, and project/product all of the same name, but also other > projects/products with other names under the same foundation/community. > > How do we more accurately present this to newcomers to the websites? Very good point/question. Possibly on the front page at caosity.org/about? I will write some ideas down (when I get a chance). I had to explain this dozens of times at LinuxWorld, so I think I got pretty good at it. ;) -- Greg M. Kurtzer http://runlevelzero.net/ http://caosity.org/ http://warewulf-cluster.org/ From tmattox at gmail.com Thu Aug 12 09:09:29 2004 From: tmattox at gmail.com (Tim Mattox) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:09:29 -0400 Subject: [cAos] Re: [Centos] suggestions for CentOS In-Reply-To: <20040812152417.GB22786@runlevelzero.net> References: <001a01c48041$66be65c0$1d00a8c0@apocalypse> <002201c48070$b761a9e0$2250543f@cpu761> <20040812152417.GB22786@runlevelzero.net> Message-ID: I concur with Greg Kurtzer's stance on this. The CentOS and cAos distributions share a significant infrastructure, particularly the cAos Foundation and the global mirror system, and it would be a disservice to all to split the website as was suggested. Yes, the current website leaves much to be desired. However, I've seen a mock up of the new website design that is being worked on, and it will be a very significant improvement. I hope that it may be available for at least comment & perusal soon, even if it might not be ready to be the main website for awhile. -- Tim Mattox - tmattox at gmail.com - http://homepage.mac.com/tmattox/ From lance at uklinux.net Thu Aug 12 09:42:20 2004 From: lance at uklinux.net (Lance Davis) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:42:20 +0100 (BST) Subject: [cAos] Re: [Centos] suggestions for CentOS In-Reply-To: <20040812152417.GB22786@runlevelzero.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, Greg Kurtzer wrote: > I am sorry to say that I don't agree that a separate website is the right > path. I will however _strongly_ agree that the site needs much work and > organization, and we are in the progress of building a new infrastructure at > the moment. > > Centos is a hosted project by the cAos Foundation. There are several hosted > projects by the foundation, and they are all leveraging from one another. To > make the distinct appearance that any of the projects is a standalone entity > would be misleading, and I don't think would do justice for any of the > projects or foundation as a whole. Well I fundamentally disagree and have always wanted CentOS to have its own website. It is only through lack of time that it hasnt happened. Lance -- uklinux.net - The ISP of choice for the discerning Linux user. From jrw at nplus1.net Thu Aug 12 11:54:46 2004 From: jrw at nplus1.net (Jacob Robert Wilkins) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:54:46 -0400 Subject: [cAos] Re: [Centos] suggestions for CentOS In-Reply-To: References: <20040812152417.GB22786@runlevelzero.net> Message-ID: <20040812185446.GB1139@nplus1.net> On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 05:42:20PM +0100, Lance Davis wrote: > On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, Greg Kurtzer wrote: > Well I fundamentally disagree and have always wanted CentOS to have its > own website. > > It is only through lack of time that it hasnt happened. I think we are stuck on semantics here. It is clear and obvious that CentOS needs some more web content. We all agree on that. What I'm seeing is a bunch of really smart people pissing away their valuable time, and enegry debating what the URL for said content should be. Its not that important. Its important for the content to exist, somewhere. Some folks have cited the Apache project as a model for what we are trying to do. Lets steal infrastructrue layout from them. Here is a proposed soultion: The main site for CentOS should be http://centos.caosity.org, and that centos.org should redirect there. What do we think of that idea? jrw From greg at runlevelzero.net Thu Aug 12 12:37:45 2004 From: greg at runlevelzero.net (Greg Kurtzer) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:37:45 -0700 Subject: [cAos] Re: [Centos] suggestions for CentOS In-Reply-To: References: <20040812152417.GB22786@runlevelzero.net> Message-ID: <20040812193745.GA16436@runlevelzero.net> On Thu, Aug 12, 2004 at 05:42:20PM +0100, Lance Davis told me: > > Centos is a hosted project by the cAos Foundation. There are several hosted > > projects by the foundation, and they are all leveraging from one another. To > > make the distinct appearance that any of the projects is a standalone entity > > would be misleading, and I don't think would do justice for any of the > > projects or foundation as a whole. > > Well I fundamentally disagree and have always wanted CentOS to have its > own website. OK. While we have different opinions, I am not firmly attached to the idea that the main Centos pages should be on the caosity.org site. Where ever it goes, I will probably want centos.caosity.org to point there as well as centos.org. Also on caosity.org, there will be at least a one page blurb about centos, and links to centos.org. > It is only through lack of time that it hasn't happened. This is yet another reason why I was offering html content and services on caosity.org... Anyway, I find it interesting that some people seem to have such strong opinions on this, so it must be a hot topic... Yet nobody is offering to help. ;^) -- Greg M. Kurtzer http://runlevelzero.net/ http://caosity.org/ http://warewulf-cluster.org/ From sinner at escomposlinux.org Thu Aug 12 14:35:10 2004 From: sinner at escomposlinux.org (Sinner from the Prairy) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:35:10 -0400 Subject: [cAos] Re: [Centos] suggestions for CentOS In-Reply-To: References: <20040812152417.GB22786@runlevelzero.net> Message-ID: <200408121735.11063.sinner@escomposlinux.org> On Thursday 12 August 2004 12:09, Tim Mattox wrote: > I concur with Greg Kurtzer's stance on this. > > The CentOS and cAos distributions share a significant infrastructure, > particularly the cAos Foundation and the global mirror system, and it > would be a disservice to all to split the website as was suggested. +1 I'm with Greg . Better together than separated. Forks are good... after you have been in 'busineness' a couple of years. CentOS / Caosity.org are pretty your projects/organizations. Let them grow before forking, even before forking websites. Salut, Sinner -- http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/ || http://mandrake.badopi.org Linux User #89976 - Mandrake Linux 10.0-Final -Linux Machine #38068 From martyn at theendofhistether.org.uk Tue Aug 17 06:49:37 2004 From: martyn at theendofhistether.org.uk (Martyn) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 14:49:37 +0100 Subject: [cAos] Introductions Message-ID: <200408171449.37007.martyn@theendofhistether.org.uk> Hi I've been using cAos about 8 months now, and I have decided to get more involved. I've been a sysadmin on Linux-based systems about 8 years (that's a guess), started wth SuSE, didn't like it much, moved on to slackware, which I loved. I found fedora about a year ago, and stuck with it for a while. I liked the theory of the update system, but in practice all it gained me was a constant flashing exclamation mark in the gnome tray! Anyway, I digress, so... I've had some experience with packaging (ayttm on fedora being my main package, but several others too) and a LOT of experience with compiling (Slackware for 6 1/2 years gets you used to compiling stuff!). I also develop, but don't have enough time to devote to that, but in case anyone's interested I use Lazarus/FreePascal (ex Delphi developer). I have very specific needs from cAos, but love it to bits. On a personal level I would like to help mainly with packaging - there are several applications I use that I can't just yum yet. On a commercial level, I'm standardizing our black box firewall/router/server onto cAos. So, in terms of packages that I could immediately take responsibility for : * ayttm (multi-network IM client that treats people as people, with any number of accounts) * linux-atm (because the boxes connect to ADSL, and in the UK that means PPP over ATM) others I could do : * audacity - sound file editor * easytag - id3ogg tagger * dvd+rw tools - growisofs and clan possibly others, can't think from this terminal ;-) over to you, guys, but one last thing... I tried to set up a temple account and found it would not proceed - it seems to be comparing the password with something other than the confirmation password. -- Martyn P.S. Mod, I've resent this from the right address this time, so many email addresses I forget which ones I'm using :-) Feel free to junk the one in the queue. From jrw at nplus1.net Tue Aug 17 07:10:41 2004 From: jrw at nplus1.net (Jacob Robert Wilkins) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:10:41 -0400 Subject: [cAos] Introductions In-Reply-To: <200408171449.37007.martyn@theendofhistether.org.uk> References: <200408171449.37007.martyn@theendofhistether.org.uk> Message-ID: <20040817141041.GB21806@nplus1.net> Welcome to the party. You'll want to hop into #caos on freenode. Most of the active developers hang there. As for accounts and whatnot, things are a little different with caos-2. You'll need to send your ssh public key in a gpg signed email to Michael Jennings, mej at caosity.org. Then you get CVS access, and you learn to use Mezzanine. Once you've mastered that, you drink the koolaid, and join the cult offically. jrw On Tue, Aug 17, 2004 at 02:49:37PM +0100, Martyn wrote: > Hi > > I've been using cAos about 8 months now, and I have decided to get more > involved. > > I've been a sysadmin on Linux-based systems about 8 years (that's a guess), > started wth SuSE, didn't like it much, moved on to slackware, which I loved. > I found fedora about a year ago, and stuck with it for a while. I liked the > theory of the update system, but in practice all it gained me was a constant > flashing exclamation mark in the gnome tray! > > Anyway, I digress, so... I've had some experience with packaging (ayttm on > fedora being my main package, but several others too) and a LOT of experience > with compiling (Slackware for 6 1/2 years gets you used to compiling stuff!). > I also develop, but don't have enough time to devote to that, but in case > anyone's interested I use Lazarus/FreePascal (ex Delphi developer). > > I have very specific needs from cAos, but love it to bits. > > On a personal level I would like to help mainly with packaging - there are > several applications I use that I can't just yum yet. On a commercial level, > I'm standardizing our black box firewall/router/server onto cAos. > > So, in terms of packages that I could immediately take responsibility for : > * ayttm (multi-network IM client that treats people as people, with any number > of accounts) > * linux-atm (because the boxes connect to ADSL, and in the UK that means PPP > over ATM) > > others I could do : > * audacity - sound file editor > * easytag - id3ogg tagger > * dvd+rw tools - growisofs and clan > possibly others, can't think from this terminal ;-) > > over to you, guys, but one last thing... > > I tried to set up a temple account and found it would not proceed - it seems > to be comparing the password with something other than the confirmation > password. > > -- > Martyn > > P.S. Mod, I've resent this from the right address this time, so many email > addresses I forget which ones I'm using :-) Feel free to junk the one in the > queue. > > _______________________________________________ > cAos mailing list > cAos at caosity.org > http://www.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/caos From mej at caosity.org Tue Aug 17 09:09:40 2004 From: mej at caosity.org (Michael Jennings) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:09:40 -0400 Subject: [cAos] Introductions In-Reply-To: <200408171449.37007.martyn@theendofhistether.org.uk> References: <200408171449.37007.martyn@theendofhistether.org.uk> Message-ID: <20040817160939.GW225@kainx.org> On Tuesday, 17 August 2004, at 14:49:37 (+0100), Martyn wrote: > On a personal level I would like to help mainly with packaging - there are > several applications I use that I can't just yum yet. On a commercial level, > I'm standardizing our black box firewall/router/server onto cAos. > > So, in terms of packages that I could immediately take responsibility for : > * ayttm (multi-network IM client that treats people as people, with any number > of accounts) > * linux-atm (because the boxes connect to ADSL, and in the UK that means PPP > over ATM) > > others I could do : > * audacity - sound file editor > * easytag - id3ogg tagger > * dvd+rw tools - growisofs and clan > possibly others, can't think from this terminal ;-) > > over to you, guys, but one last thing... > > I tried to set up a temple account and found it would not proceed - > it seems to be comparing the password with something other than the > confirmation password. Don't worry about the temple for now. First off, you need a PGP/GPG key. Then it needs to be signed by someone. You'll also need a public key file for use with OpenSSH (id_dsa.pub or id_rsa.pub). Once you have these things, send a GPG-signed e-mail with your requested userid (8 char max please) and your ssh public key to mej at caosity.org. While you're waiting for me to get back to you, please read http://troy.jdmz.net/mezz/mezz-howto.pdf to introduce yourself to our package management system. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "You've got more paranoid fantasies than Stephen King on crack." -- Mr. James, Newsradio From greg at runlevelzero.net Tue Aug 24 12:28:33 2004 From: greg at runlevelzero.net (Greg Kurtzer) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 12:28:33 -0700 Subject: [cAos] Repositories for cAos2 Message-ID: <20040824192833.GC26861@runlevelzero.net> I am in the progress of making the decision on how the repository for cAos2 gets updated and was hoping to hear from users and other developers before I make my decision. cAos2 package maintainers upload their packages to CVS, and mezzanine builds them automatically. The result binary RPMS get put into a public repository (cAos-2/ext/autobuilder/$arch). I have been thinking about the following: 1. Packages have a cooling period in teh autobuilder where they should be tested. Once packages have rested there for a period of time, they can be promoted to the current repository. 2. Package promotion to the current repository is done by a repository maintainer who manages this by hand. 3. A community based voting system, and packages can only get promoted when it has received a particular vote count. 4. Some combination of the above. Please send comments and/or new ideas in the next day or two so I can make my decision by end of week. Thanks. -- Greg M. Kurtzer http://runlevelzero.net/ http://caosity.org/ http://warewulf-cluster.org/ From jrajiv at hclinsys.com Sat Aug 28 22:29:46 2004 From: jrajiv at hclinsys.com (Rajiv) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:59:46 +0530 Subject: [cAos] ISO image Message-ID: <009e01c48d89$328eecc0$39140897@PMORND> Dear All, Could anyone tell me the link where I can download CAOS. Is CAOS available for AMD opteron? Regards, Rajiv -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infiscale.org/pipermail/caos/attachments/20040829/8ab59829/attachment.html From m.stolte at datadevil.demon.nl Sun Aug 29 06:15:42 2004 From: m.stolte at datadevil.demon.nl (Maarten Stolte) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:15:42 +0200 Subject: [cAos] ISO image In-Reply-To: <009e01c48d89$328eecc0$39140897@PMORND> References: <009e01c48d89$328eecc0$39140897@PMORND> Message-ID: <4131D6FE.4080506@datadevil.demon.nl> Hello Rajiv, cAos 1 is not available the opteron cpus, it's strictly 32bits. cAos 2, which we're working hard on at the moment, will be available for the opteron. The cAos 1 downloads are listed here; http://www.caosity.org/index.php?option=com_mirrors&Itemid=81 , look for a dir called cinch on your nearest mirror to find the iso. The installation manual is in the docs directory. regards, Maarten Stolte Rajiv wrote: > Dear All, > Could anyone tell me the link where I can download CAOS. Is CAOS > available for AMD opteron? > > Regards, > Rajiv -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.infiscale.org/pipermail/caos/attachments/20040829/33216180/attachment.html From trey at fastmail.fm Sun Aug 29 13:14:29 2004 From: trey at fastmail.fm (Trey Sizemore) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:14:29 -0400 Subject: [cAos] ISO image In-Reply-To: <009e01c48d89$328eecc0$39140897@PMORND> References: <009e01c48d89$328eecc0$39140897@PMORND> Message-ID: <20040829161429.198004e7@linux.site> On Sun, 29 Aug 2004 10:59:46 +0530 "Rajiv" wrote: >Dear All, >Could anyone tell me the link where I can download CAOS. Is CAOS available >for AMD opteron? > >Regards, >Rajiv http://caosity.org/index.php?option=com_mirrors&Itemid=81 -- Cheers, Trey Captain Penny's Law: You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you Can't Fool Mom. 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