From yeohkh at srkk.com  Thu Apr  1 17:59:11 2004
From: yeohkh at srkk.com (Yeoh Kai Hearn)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:59:11 +0800
Subject: [cAos] [CentOS 3.1] redhat-config-packages
In-Reply-To: <20040330170000.21478.9162.Mailman@caos1.caosity.org>
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC4AAAAAAAAApcJCCXvHSEikmuJrUdCKpQEAWSEuOfbJYU+PkWLYA1NOGwAAAABitwAAEAAAACyuM8JqspZPlgyjPxtTseQBAAAAAA==@srkk.com>

There seems some problem with redhat-config-packages for CentOS 3.1. It only
show the packages selected during installation. Those not selected is not
shown in the list. So I have to install the packages manually from CD
instead of install from the Add/Remove Application. 

Regards.

KH Yeoh



From coobav at interia.pl  Sun Apr  4 23:33:36 2004
From: coobav at interia.pl (Jakub Wojtanowski)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 08:33:36 +0200
Subject: [cAos] RH9 Upgrade
Message-ID: <002001c41ad7$f2d67bd0$ce00000a@athlonxp>

I have my server running Redhat 9. Official support will no longer be maintained from 1'st May, so I'm considering a migration to Centos 3.1. Is it possible to simply upgrade, or I have to reinstall whole system ?

Cheers
Kuba
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From herrold at owlriver.com  Mon Apr  5 13:22:32 2004
From: herrold at owlriver.com (R P Herrold)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 16:22:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos]  RH9 Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <002001c41ad7$f2d67bd0$ce00000a@athlonxp>
References: <002001c41ad7$f2d67bd0$ce00000a@athlonxp>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0404051620430.32182@swampfox.owlriver.com>

On Mon, 5 Apr 2004, Jakub Wojtanowski wrote:

> I have my server running Redhat 9. Official support will no
> longer be maintained from 1'st May, so I'm considering a
> migration to Centos 3.1. Is it possible to simply upgrade,
> or I have to reinstall whole system ?

No reinstall should be necessary; I document moving to 
centos-3 from an even earlier RH release at:
	http://www.owlriver.com/projects/centos/caos-upgrade/

If you hit a string of unresolvable yum dependencies, as 
indicated in the ImageMagick example, temporarily rpm -e the 
offending package and restore it once you are done.

Good luck; let us know how things turn out, please.

-- russ herrold


From mej at kainx.org  Wed Apr  7 08:46:17 2004
From: mej at kainx.org (Michael Jennings)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 11:46:17 -0400
Subject: [cAos] Macromedia Customer Service Incident [7564614] [Fwd from service@macromedia.com]
Message-ID: <20040407154617.GG11659@kainx.org>

I asked to speak to someone at Macromedia regarding getting permission
to distribute flash along with caos.  Here's the reply:

----- Forwarded message from service at macromedia.com -----

Hello Michael,

Thank you for contacting Macromedia Customer Service.

We appreciate your interest in Macromedia products.

As per your inquiry, please be informed that you can call Macromedia Customer Service regarding your inquiry. Macromedia Customer Service phone number is 800-470-7211 (Toll-Free).

You can also find information regarding FLash Player distribution on the link below:

http://www.macromedia.com/support/shockwave/info/licensing/

Should you have other concerns, please feel free to call us.

Regards,

Remelyn Marcelo
Customer Service
M a c r o m e d i a

----- End forwarded message -----

(My thoughts:  Thank you Captain Obvious.  I already read the damned
licensing page.  What part of "talk to someone" do you not
comprehend?)

Any bets on how far I'd get on the phone?

Michael

-- 
Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX)  http://www.kainx.org/  <mej at kainx.org>
n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/       Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org)
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From sinner at escomposlinux.org  Wed Apr  7 13:22:26 2004
From: sinner at escomposlinux.org (Sinner from the Prairy)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 16:22:26 -0400
Subject: [cAos] Macromedia Customer Service Incident [7564614] [Fwd from service@macromedia.com]
In-Reply-To: <20040407154617.GG11659@kainx.org>
References: <20040407154617.GG11659@kainx.org>
Message-ID: <200404071622.26706.sinner@escomposlinux.org>

On Wed April 7 2004 11:4611am, Michael Jennings wrote:
> Any bets on how far I'd get on the phone?
> Michael

I bet 2 used disk sectors that you can recompile a whole cAos-2 while 
you are on hold . And the answer will be "Ih, I don't know. I need to 
speak with my manager."


Salut,
Sinner
-- 
http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/  ||  http://mandrake.badopi.org
Linux User # 89976 - Mandrake Linux 9.2 -Linux Machine # 38068



From mej at kainx.org  Wed Apr  7 19:49:04 2004
From: mej at kainx.org (Michael Jennings)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 22:49:04 -0400
Subject: [cAos] Macromedia Customer Service Incident [7564614] [Fwd from service@macromedia.com]
In-Reply-To: <200404071622.26706.sinner@escomposlinux.org>
References: <20040407154617.GG11659@kainx.org> <200404071622.26706.sinner@escomposlinux.org>
Message-ID: <20040408024904.GK5454@kainx.org>

On Wednesday, 07 April 2004, at 16:22:26 (-0400),
Sinner from the Prairy wrote:

> I bet 2 used disk sectors that you can recompile a whole cAos-2
> while you are on hold . And the answer will be "Ih, I don't know. I
> need to speak with my manager."

My big worry is that I won't get past the "read the website" line.  I
envision a very Who's-On-First-esque conversation in which I keep
asking the same question and keep getting the same response....

Michael

-- 
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  most feared."                                      -- Jewel, "Hands"


From akonstam at trinity.edu  Thu Apr  8 12:43:11 2004
From: akonstam at trinity.edu (Aaron Konstam)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2004 14:43:11 -0500
Subject: [cAos] Open Office
Message-ID: <20040408194311.GA9239@Moof.CS.Trinity.Edu>

The Open Office that comes with CentOS seems to be an earlier version
than the one on fedora. I upgraded it using rpms from the fedora CD-s.
But is there a repository where the later version resides that can be
reached by changing the up2date or yum repository list?
-- 
-------------------------------------------
Aaron Konstam
Computer Science
Trinity University
One Trinity Place.
San Antonio, TX 78212-7200

telephone: (210)-999-7484
email:akonstam at trinity.edu


From jakub.wojtanowski at vogar.com.pl  Sun Apr  4 23:32:48 2004
From: jakub.wojtanowski at vogar.com.pl (Jakub Wojtanowski)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 08:32:48 +0200
Subject: [cAos] RH9 upgrade
Message-ID: <000f01c41ad7$d25827a0$ce00000a@athlonxp>

I have my server running Redhat 9. Official support will no longer be maintained from 1'st May, so I'm considering a migration to Centos 3.1. Is it possible to simply upgrade, or I have to reinstall whole system ?

Cheers
Kuba
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From herrold at owlriver.com  Sat Apr 10 15:08:21 2004
From: herrold at owlriver.com (R P Herrold)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:08:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos]  RH9 upgrade
In-Reply-To: <000f01c41ad7$d25827a0$ce00000a@athlonxp>
References: <000f01c41ad7$d25827a0$ce00000a@athlonxp>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0404101757000.16830@swampfox.owlriver.com>

On Mon, 5 Apr 2004, Jakub Wojtanowski wrote:

> I have my server running Redhat 9. Official support will no
> longer be maintained from 1'st May, so I'm considering a
> migration to Centos 3.1. Is it possible to simply upgrade,
> or I have to reinstall whole system ?

I have documented moving from RHL 8 to 9:
	http://www.owlriver.com/projects/yum/rhl8-to-rhl9/  
and from cAos-1 to CentOS-3 
at: 
	http://www.owlriver.com/projects/centos/caos-upgrade/
using yum.

The unit upon which I am typing this started as a RHL 8 and is 
presently running CentOS-3;  I had to start the install back 
at RHL-8 as it has no CD drive, and I wanted an easy boot from 
CD with network driver's on a second floppy, and a set of 
RHL-8 ISOs were already mounted on my PXE boot install server:
	http://www.owlriver.com/tips/pxe-install/
I went through an intermediate RHL-9 Upgrade on the way to 
Centos-3

so yes, it has worked for me.

-- Russ Herrold


From stmn3 at perleasy.com  Sat Apr 10 21:11:34 2004
From: stmn3 at perleasy.com (Steve Schilt)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:11:34 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
Subject: [cAos] Trouble with install
Message-ID: <4078C576.000003.53501@rummer.ez.net.ez.net>

I am having trouble getting a successful cinch install. I have tried the CD
install on three different machines and failed on all three. In each case
the install does not create a complete boot loader and when I try to either
create a boot floppy or do a re-boot it fails. On one machine it gave me an
error message saying it could not put the bootloader on any one of three
options that I furnished, hda, hdb and hdc.

Because there was a consistency in the errors I reran the md5sum but found
no error there.

Can anyone help? 
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From herrold at owlriver.com  Sat Apr 10 21:40:30 2004
From: herrold at owlriver.com (R P Herrold)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 00:40:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos]  Trouble with install
In-Reply-To: <4078C576.000003.53501@rummer.ez.net.ez.net>
References: <4078C576.000003.53501@rummer.ez.net.ez.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0404110039220.635@swampfox.owlriver.com>

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004, Steve Schilt wrote:

> I am having trouble getting a successful cinch install. I have tried the CD
> install on three different machines and failed on all three. In each case
> the install does not create a complete boot loader and when I try to either
> create a boot floppy or do a re-boot it fails. On one machine it gave me an
> error message saying it could not put the bootloader on any one of three
> options that I furnished, hda, hdb and hdc.

which cinch -- 1.7, or one of the testing versions?

and is there anything unusual about your hardware situation?  
Have other Linux installations been possible on it?

-- Russ Herrold


From akonstam at trinity.edu  Sun Apr 11 06:12:57 2004
From: akonstam at trinity.edu (Aaron Konstam)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 08:12:57 -0500
Subject: [cAos] CentOS - rhgb does not work.
In-Reply-To: <4078C576.000003.53501@rummer.ez.net.ez.net>
References: <4078C576.000003.53501@rummer.ez.net.ez.net>
Message-ID: <20040411131257.GB480@Moof.CS.Trinity.Edu>

Am I correct that rhgb (RedHat Graphic Boot) will not work on CentOS?
rhgb is not present after installation. I installed it using the
fedora rpm. But it still does not work.
-- 
-------------------------------------------
Aaron Konstam
Computer Science
Trinity University
One Trinity Place.
San Antonio, TX 78212-7200

telephone: (210)-999-7484
email:akonstam at trinity.edu


From herrold at owlriver.com  Sun Apr 11 10:28:40 2004
From: herrold at owlriver.com (R P Herrold)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 13:28:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos]  CentOS - rhgb does not work.
In-Reply-To: <20040411131257.GB480@Moof.CS.Trinity.Edu>
References: <4078C576.000003.53501@rummer.ez.net.ez.net>
 <20040411131257.GB480@Moof.CS.Trinity.Edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0404111317001.29071@swampfox.owlriver.com>

On Sun, 11 Apr 2004, Aaron Konstam wrote:

> Am I correct that rhgb (RedHat Graphic Boot) will not work on CentOS?
> rhgb is not present after installation. I installed it using the
> fedora rpm. But it still does not work.

rhgb was not in RHEL-3 series, and so CentOS, being a strict 
rebuild with trademark content replacement, does not have it 
either.

I have not followed the fedora development; what does it do
that is desireable beyond graphical service status
indications?; it may be possible to integrate it, but it will
require alteration of the initscripts (rc.sysinit) to kick off
the effects.  This would break compatibility with RHEL
mainline, and so is not likely in the mainline respoitories.

-- Russ Herrold


From akonstam at trinity.edu  Mon Apr 12 07:13:57 2004
From: akonstam at trinity.edu (Aaron Konstam)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 09:13:57 -0500
Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos]  CentOS - rhgb does not work.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0404111317001.29071@swampfox.owlriver.com>
References: <4078C576.000003.53501@rummer.ez.net.ez.net> <20040411131257.GB480@Moof.CS.Trinity.Edu> <Pine.LNX.4.53.0404111317001.29071@swampfox.owlriver.com>
Message-ID: <20040412141357.GA4757@Moof.CS.Trinity.Edu>

On Sun, Apr 11, 2004 at 01:28:40PM -0400, R P Herrold wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Apr 2004, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> 
> > Am I correct that rhgb (RedHat Graphic Boot) will not work on CentOS?
> > rhgb is not present after installation. I installed it using the
> > fedora rpm. But it still does not work.
> 
> rhgb was not in RHEL-3 series, and so CentOS, being a strict 
> rebuild with trademark content replacement, does not have it 
> either.
> 
> I have not followed the fedora development; what does it do
> that is desireable beyond graphical service status
> indications?; it may be possible to integrate it, but it will
> require alteration of the initscripts (rc.sysinit) to kick off
> the effects.  This would break compatibility with RHEL
> mainline, and so is not likely in the mainline respoitories.
> 
> -- Russ Herrold
Ok that explains the situation. rhgb is certainly not important and is
not worth worrying about. It is purely a cosmetic facility.
-- 
-------------------------------------------
Aaron Konstam
Computer Science
Trinity University
One Trinity Place.
San Antonio, TX 78212-7200

telephone: (210)-999-7484
email:akonstam at trinity.edu


From klamman.gard at telia.com  Mon Apr 12 09:18:44 2004
From: klamman.gard at telia.com (Per Lindstrom)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:18:44 +0200
Subject: [cAos] Setup of cAos on Workstations
Message-ID: <407AC164.1060304@telia.com>

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From greg at runlevelzero.net  Mon Apr 12 20:59:32 2004
From: greg at runlevelzero.net (Greg Kurtzer)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:59:32 -0700
Subject: [cAos] cAos and the warm fuzzies...
Message-ID: <20040413035932.GD759@runlevelzero.net>

README: Please take a just a minute to respond to this!

I would like to start documenting why cAos is a good solution.

Can people please forward to me what is it about cAos that they like, and
their thoughts on the project. 

cAos supporters:

   Why is cAos interesting to you? (your on the list, so it must be ;-)
   
   What do you want from cAos?
   
   Where do you forsee the future of cAos?

   Would you contribute (time and/or money) to cAos to keep it alive?

   Does cAos give you the "warm fuzzies" and do you feel comfortable relying
   on the community behind it?


If you are NOT a cAos supporter (yet):

   Why not?

   What would you like to see for you to become a supporter?

   What is your current distribution of choice, and why?


Please respond directly to me or the list. Any private emails to me will
remain private but public responses are most helpful.
-- 
Greg M. Kurtzer
http://runlevelzero.net/
http://caosity.org/
http://warewulf-cluster.org/


From klamman.gard at telia.com  Mon Apr 12 21:20:32 2004
From: klamman.gard at telia.com (Per Lindstrom)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 06:20:32 +0200
Subject: [cAos] ERROR: Could not install GRUB on /dev/hda
Message-ID: <407B6A90.8040006@telia.com>

Hi,

I have during the last days been trying to install cAos on my dual XEON 
workstation by means of a floppy.

I have come all the the way to installing of Bootloader and there is it 
stop.

The installation software give me following text:

Installing the bootloader...

What device do you want to install the boatloader on? [/dev/hda]

 > (at this prompt I'm enter:) /dev/hda

(This result in)

Remounting /boot
Installing bootloader...

 ERROR: Could not install GRUB on /dev/hda

Please advice how to proced

Best regards
Per Lindstr?m





From herrold at owlriver.com  Mon Apr 12 21:27:25 2004
From: herrold at owlriver.com (R P Herrold)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 00:27:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos]  ERROR: Could not install GRUB on /dev/hda
In-Reply-To: <407B6A90.8040006@telia.com>
References: <407B6A90.8040006@telia.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0404130025150.21397@swampfox.owlriver.com>

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, Per Lindstrom wrote:

> I have during the last days been trying to install cAos on my dual XEON 
> workstation by means of a floppy.

My unit of this type has only SCSI r/w drives -- the cinch-1.7 
code incorrectly offered /dev/hda (where that was an IDE CD 
drive)  -- is that the case with your units?

> I have come all the the way to installing of Bootloader and there is it 
> stop.

> Remounting /boot
> Installing bootloader...
> 
>  ERROR: Could not install GRUB on /dev/hda

if this is your case as well, I had to manually choose the 
SCSI device in the list config script, and run 
	grub-install /dev/sda
to get past the issue.

-- Russ Herrold


From greg at runlevelzero.net  Mon Apr 12 21:27:32 2004
From: greg at runlevelzero.net (Greg Kurtzer)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:27:32 -0700
Subject: [cAos] Setup of cAos on Workstations
In-Reply-To: <407AC164.1060304@telia.com>
References: <407AC164.1060304@telia.com>
Message-ID: <20040413042732.GE759@runlevelzero.net>

On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 06:18:44PM +0200, Per Lindstrom told me:
> 
>    Hi,
>    I have been evaluating Gentoo, cAos, FreeBSD and Debian for some weeks
>    and  desided  to  go  for cAos on our workstations and clusters in the
>    future.
>    There   have   been   some  problems  to  follow  the  instructions  @
>    [1]http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/docs/install/floppy/html   ,    my
>    updates are attached in the end of this mail.
>    I want to configure my machines in following way:
>    1) Start up in runlevel 3 and logging in to bash

bash is default. cinch will invoke Xconfigurator if you installed X, and it
will prompt for GUI or TEXT login.

>    2) It shall be possible to select the type of  X-manager to be used

GDM will give you that option, or you can select for it to read your .xinitrc.

>    3) I want to install XFce and KDE

yum install kde xfce

>    4) I want to remove GNOME
>    May some one have any ideas how this should be done?

Well, if you wish to remove _all_ gnome related packages you can do:

   yum remove 'gnome*'

After the install... Unfortunately I have not built different desktop
enviornments into cinch yet (almost).

>    Best regards
>    Per Lindstr?m
>    --------------------------------
>    Step No.1
>    Prepare  at  least  two  (2)  floppy disk. Insert a floppy disk in the
>    floppy driver and format by the command:
>     # fdformat /dev/fd0
>    Create a file system on the disk by the command:
> 
>    # mkfs -t ext2 -m 0 /dev/fd0
> 
>    -----------------------------
>    Step No.3
>    # wget [2]http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/cinch/current/floppy.img
>    # wget [3]http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/cinch/current/MD5SUMS
>    # grep floppy MD5SUMS | md5sum -c
>      floppy.img: OK
> 
>    Write the floppy.img file to a disk by the command:
> 
>     $ dd if=floppy.img of=/dev/fd0 bs=1k
>    ----------------------------
>    Step No.4
>    # wget [4]http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/cinch/current/ddisk.img
>    # wget [5]http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/cinch/current/MD5SUMS
>    # grep ddisk MD5SUMS | md5sum -c
>    ddisk.img: OK
>    Write the ddisk.img file to a disk by the command:
> 
>     # dd if=ddisk.img of=/dev/fd0 bs=1k
>    ----------------------------
>    Step No.5
>    Start  the  installation by means of booting up the PC by means of the
>    floppy.img
>    disk
>    At request for a Chinc disk insert the ddisk.img
>    ---------------------------
>    _______________________________________________   cAos   mailing  list
>    cAos at caosity.org http://www.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/caos
> 
> References
> 
>    1. http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/docs/install/floppy/html
>    2. http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/cinch/current/floppy.img
>    3. http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/cinch/current/MD5SUMS
>    4. http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/cinch/current/ddisk.img
>    5. http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/cinch/current/MD5SUMS

-- 
Greg M. Kurtzer
http://runlevelzero.net/
http://caosity.org/
http://warewulf-cluster.org/


From greg at runlevelzero.net  Mon Apr 12 21:29:56 2004
From: greg at runlevelzero.net (Greg Kurtzer)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:29:56 -0700
Subject: [cAos] ERROR: Could not install GRUB on /dev/hda
In-Reply-To: <407B6A90.8040006@telia.com>
References: <407B6A90.8040006@telia.com>
Message-ID: <20040413042956.GF759@runlevelzero.net>

Hrmm... Just off of the top of my head, can you check on:

Are there any error logs at [ALT]-[F3]?

How many disks are in your system? Are you installing on hda or different?

What version of cinch?

floppy or CDROM method?

Partitoin scheme used?


Thanks!

On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 06:20:32AM +0200, Per Lindstrom told me:
> Hi,
> 
> I have during the last days been trying to install cAos on my dual XEON 
> workstation by means of a floppy.
> 
> I have come all the the way to installing of Bootloader and there is it 
> stop.
> 
> The installation software give me following text:
> 
> Installing the bootloader...
> 
> What device do you want to install the boatloader on? [/dev/hda]
> 
> > (at this prompt I'm enter:) /dev/hda
> 
> (This result in)
> 
> Remounting /boot
> Installing bootloader...
> 
> ERROR: Could not install GRUB on /dev/hda
> 
> Please advice how to proced
> 
> Best regards
> Per Lindstr?m
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> cAos mailing list
> cAos at caosity.org
> http://www.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/caos

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http://warewulf-cluster.org/


From klamman.gard at telia.com  Mon Apr 12 21:56:20 2004
From: klamman.gard at telia.com (Per Lindstrom)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 06:56:20 +0200
Subject: [cAos] ERROR: Could not install GRUB on /dev/hda
In-Reply-To: <20040413042956.GF759@runlevelzero.net>
References: <407B6A90.8040006@telia.com> <20040413042956.GF759@runlevelzero.net>
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From herrold at owlriver.com  Mon Apr 12 22:03:43 2004
From: herrold at owlriver.com (R P Herrold)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 01:03:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos]  cAos and the warm fuzzies...
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On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Greg Kurtzer wrote:

> cAos supporters:
> 
>    Why is cAos interesting to you? (your on the list, so it must be ;-)

1. Open process -- From the source and hints archive, builder,
and the comraderie of the community which has coalesced over
the last year, the availability of the technical tools and the
give and take from a very skilled technical community has
helped each of the members gain a more deep understanding of
the issues in crafting a distribution release;  It is
impressive that at least five individual lead builders have
pushed testing candidates out, and that three stable products
have resulted

This open process also has been well reflected in the ability
of non-technical users to contribute -- mirror solicitation,
documentation, and so forth.  Getting mirror coverage, and 
archival coverage at the ibiblio facility help backstop the 
viability of the releases and updates.

Having in place the additional (to the archive and builder) 
bugzilla, mailing lists, temple, and IRC all contribute to 
this.

2. Useable products -- I have cut almost 300 units over to
caos of centos, and so I have a vested interest in making sure
that it works; that they are stable, and that they will be
supported through their service lives.  Leveraging off a start
point which was, itself, designed for a 5 year design life,
helps ensure we will not run afoul of security issue 'all
alone'
    
>    What do you want from cAos?

I was thinking about this earlier today; the lifecycle of the
caosity project releases -- caos-1 or CentOS will provide a
good long-term successor to the RHL series (now almost out of
maintenance).

 I have run the same Window Manager for years (Xfce -- vaguely
CDE or OS/2ish) and dropped in the increasingly useful
application layer office suite tools -- first kword; then
gnumeric and abiword; and most recently OpenOffice suite --
and have been acreteing the same userspace data (email, PDF
collection, documents and spreadsheets)  dating back literally
(I just did a quick scan) to 1997. (and that is just on my
laptop and externally accessible data -- more is behind the
firewall back of the office)

The continuity of operating environment allows me to
imediately refer back to old notes on how I solved an issue.  
How can an OS environment which changes file formats for 
marketing reasons even begin to compete?

The caos project helps me stay in an Open environment of 
choice.
    
>    Where do you forsee the future of cAos?

Scope of package coverage will mature (a more complete and
current stable ecology of central applications will emerge;
secondary packagers will add caos/centos support); the ongoing 
maturization of the application layer in Open Source Software 
will continue [the lower levels in the ISO stack are, frankly, 
solved problems] and with it caos will rise with the 'best of 
breed' tide.  

The (good) cAos reputation will be noticed, and its stability
noticed, compared to some commercial and other 'bleeding edge'
efforts, and serious developers will conclude that caos/centos
support is a 'bullet point' which their userspace want
supported.  Some transient nay-sayers will appear and
criticize which will be a challenge.

>    Would you contribute (time and/or money) to cAos to keep it alive?

I have -- I do -- as it is in my economic interest, I shall 
continue to do so
 
>    Does cAos give you the "warm fuzzies" and do you feel comfortable relying
>    on the community behind it?

yes
 
-- Russ Herrold

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From greg at runlevelzero.net  Mon Apr 12 22:06:23 2004
From: greg at runlevelzero.net (Greg Kurtzer)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:06:23 -0700
Subject: [cAos] ERROR: Could not install GRUB on /dev/hda
In-Reply-To: <407B72F4.6040706@telia.com>
References: <407B6A90.8040006@telia.com> <20040413042956.GF759@runlevelzero.net> <407B72F4.6040706@telia.com>
Message-ID: <20040413050623.GG759@runlevelzero.net>

On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 06:56:20AM +0200, Per Lindstrom told me:
> 
>    Here it comes :-)
>    /Per
>    Greg Kurtzer wrote:
> 
> Hrmm... Just off of the top of my head, can you check on:
> 
> Are there any error logs at [ALT]-[F3]?
>   
> 
>    There are a couple
>    The top line says:
>    error: failed to stat  /boot: No such file or directory
>    The bottom line says:
>    The file boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly

Any other lines above the last one?

You mentioned that it is current... On the first page displayed, it will tell
you the version. Can you check?

Maybe try a different version?

   1.7 is the latest stable
   2.0.1 is the latest testing

(as of today)

What happens if you select to go into a shell before rebooting, and run
grub-install from there? If you are using cinch-2.0.1 you will need to first
run 'chroot /newroot'. To install grub, do:

   grub-install /dev/hda

Does that give you any more verbose output?

-- 
Greg M. Kurtzer
http://runlevelzero.net/
http://caosity.org/
http://warewulf-cluster.org/


From greg at runlevelzero.net  Mon Apr 12 22:18:19 2004
From: greg at runlevelzero.net (Greg Kurtzer)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:18:19 -0700
Subject: [cAos] ERROR: Could not install GRUB on /dev/hda
In-Reply-To: <407B72F4.6040706@telia.com>
References: <407B6A90.8040006@telia.com> <20040413042956.GF759@runlevelzero.net> <407B72F4.6040706@telia.com>
Message-ID: <20040413051819.GH759@runlevelzero.net>

On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 06:56:20AM +0200, Per Lindstrom told me:
>    hda1     /boot      ext3      128 MB
>    hda2    swap                        4 GB
>    hda3    /               xfs            6 GB
>    hda4    extended
>    hda5    /home      xfs           20 GB
>    hda6    /opt          xfs             8 GB
>    hda7    /usr          xfs          16 GB

BTW, I think I may have found a bug in cinch-2.0.1 WRT how cinch defines the
grub partition. Can you also send me the '^root' line in grub.conf?

(Even though I found a potential bug, cinch seemed to be setting the grub
partition to '0' instead of part_number-1 (which is also 0 in this specific 
case), so I don't think it is causing the problem that you are having now).

Just in case, please forward the ^root line from your new grub.conf.

Thanks.
-- 
Greg M. Kurtzer
http://runlevelzero.net/
http://caosity.org/
http://warewulf-cluster.org/


From tmattox at engr.uky.edu  Mon Apr 12 22:52:58 2004
From: tmattox at engr.uky.edu (Timothy I Mattox)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 01:52:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cAos] cAos and the warm fuzzies...
In-Reply-To: <20040413035932.GD759@runlevelzero.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0404130025230.28243-100000@skyhawk.ecc.engr.uky.edu>

I may ramble a bit, but here's my take on cAos...

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Greg Kurtzer wrote:
> cAos supporters:
>
>    Why is cAos interesting to you? (your on the list, so it must be ;-)

I was initially interested in cAos because it is the primary development
platform for Warewulf.  I have subsequently become much more interested
in cAos because it "just works" for me.  Sure, It took some tweaking to
get my software raid to come up, and for this or that.  But is wasn't
harder than when I was trying to get various things working in RedHat
in years past.  And then there is yum...

Maybe I'm overly influenced by the convenience of yum...  but just today I
wanted to view a Postscript file, and I guess that was the first time on a
cAos system I needed to do that... so without much thought I typed:
   yum provides bin/gv
Saw that gv was in a package by itself, so I then typed:
   yum install gv
And then moments later I was up and going with:
   gv file_I_wanted_to_read.ps

I am sure debian users have experienced that kind of cool rapid install
of some new packaged, but for me, it is just really sweet.  Try that on
a RedHat 9 system...  With cAos I never feel the need to just install
"everything" just in case.  Adding packages later is so easy.

I appreciate the formal QA system that cAos uses before packages move from
crazy to certified.  Maybe other distros have similar or even better QA
systems, but that it only took a moment for me to get a QA account, and my
feedback can influence how things turn out.

>    What do you want from cAos?

I want an RPM based linux distro that has automatic & timely security
updates, that is easy to maintain and install new packages.  Obviously, it
needs to have the majority of the packages available that I need or want
to use...  But by being RPM based, I can add more things easily that
haven't been brought into the cAos fold yet.  Setting up a local yum
repository for 3rd party RPMs is so easy for that.  And if sometime in
the future, a newer version of that package becomes available in cAos, I
can update to it without any hassle.  (I've used this when helping
develop the recent Warewulf 2.1 release).

I also want the ability to track the mainline Linux kernel fairly closely
when new features become available in the kernel.  As well as a fairly
recent version of gcc...  Sure, I can install them myself (especially
a fresh kernel), but that doesn't mean I want to do that every install.
I am looking forward to cAos-2...  and am happy with cAos-1 with it's
gcc3 package as an addon.

>    Where do you forsee the future of cAos?

I see it being my primary (and possibly only) distro on every Linux
box I maintain.  I can see cAos being a prominent choice of system
administrators everywhere.

>    Would you contribute (time and/or money) to cAos to keep it alive?

I do some QA testing of packages that I use.  I hang out in the cAos IRC
channel to help newcomers get their systems set up.  And I help contribute
to the Warewulf package.  I also instigated getting cAos mirrored on the
U. of KY engineering computer website.

>    Does cAos give you the "warm fuzzies" and do you feel comfortable relying
>    on the community behind it?

Very much so.  I was a bit leary at first, having seen sooo many new
linux distro's announced, that I asked "What could make cAos better
than all those others?"  But I went ahead and tried cAos-1 beta, and
things just workd...  and the config files were all where I expected them
to be.  The installer didn't take forever to go through, having to select
packages (and deselect  annoying packages) like I had to do each time I
installed RedHat.
When I had a problem installing on a "cluster server" that had multiple
NICs, someone on IRC was able to help me diagnose the problem right away,
and within a day, the install documentation had been updated with
a warning about multiple NICs.  And although I've not had a need to
try it out yet, the latest installer already has a fix.

Sure, I would hope that cAos-2 with the 2.6 kernel was available already,
but it's tough going to get things switched to such a different kernel.
I see progress, and when I have time I'll contribute my efforts to
making the transistion.

One of the measures of the strength of cAos has been its worldwide
supply of mirror sites.  This is no small amount of network bandwidth
that people are supplying.

To close I must say that the people on the cAos IRC channel have been a
source and sense of community that has made it clear to me that this
project has legs.  I look forward to many years of using cAos.
-- 
Tim Mattox - tmattox at engr.uky.edu - http://homepage.mac.com/tmattox/
    http://aggregate.org/KAOS/ - http://advogato.org/person/tmattox/




From m.stolte at datadevil.demon.nl  Tue Apr 13 00:53:54 2004
From: m.stolte at datadevil.demon.nl (Maarten Stolte)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:53:54 +0200
Subject: [cAos] package updates
Message-ID: <407B9C92.4010503@datadevil.demon.nl>

Hi,

I'd like to mention that we now have a gcc3 compiled Mozilla in crazy, 
so for all the crazy people out there, be warned that you might have to 
switch your java plugin to the gcc3 compiled version, and maybe think of 
other gcc3 specific issues as well.
This Mozilla should solve some issues that have been reported, and I'd 
like for everyone to take some time to try it out, vote for it in the QA 
of temple, so we can have it in the non-crazy repos asap.

regards,

Maarten Stolte
datadevil at irc.freenode.net#cAos



From jim at rossberry.com  Tue Apr 13 07:37:51 2004
From: jim at rossberry.com (Jim Wildman)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:37:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cAos] cAos and the warm fuzzies...
In-Reply-To: <20040413035932.GD759@runlevelzero.net>
References: <20040413035932.GD759@runlevelzero.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404131028530.29193@newross.rossberry.private>

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Greg Kurtzer wrote:

>    Why is cAos interesting to you? (your on the list, so it must be ;-)
Because of the broad support from large organizations.  I like
multi-legged stools :-).  The other rebuild projects have either an
implicit or explicit personal focus (ie, someone is scratching their own
itch), or have tended to spiral into complaint fests.  It helps that I
know Russ and trust his work.

>    
>    What do you want from cAos?
Stability.  I don't chase taillights or install the latest just because
it is there.  I want a clearly defined submission path, QA process, bug
process, etc.  cAos/CentOS gives me that.  Due to installer issues, I
have used CentOS rather than cAos, plus CentOS allows me to reuse my
kickstart technology/scripts.  

>    
>    Where do you forsee the future of cAos?
I think it will pick up support as vendors and users see the commitment
to quality and openness.  I promote it every chance I get, but it is
definitely the tortoise in the rebuild race at this point.

> 
>    Would you contribute (time and/or money) to cAos to keep it alive?
Yes.  I tend to feed things through Russ at this point, but will soon
have systems in place so I can take a more active role.

> 
>    Does cAos give you the "warm fuzzies" and do you feel comfortable relying
>    on the community behind it?
Absolutely.


------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Wildman, CISSP, RHCE                                jim at rossberry.com
http://www.rossberry.com


From tru at pasteur.fr  Tue Apr 13 08:05:05 2004
From: tru at pasteur.fr (Tru Huynh)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:05:05 +0200
Subject: [cAos] cAos and the warm fuzzies...
In-Reply-To: <20040413035932.GD759@runlevelzero.net>; from greg@runlevelzero.net on Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 08:59:32PM -0700
References: <20040413035932.GD759@runlevelzero.net>
Message-ID: <20040413170505.A32004@xiii.bis.pasteur.fr>

On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 08:59:32PM -0700, Greg Kurtzer wrote:
> README: Please take a just a minute to respond to this!
...
> cAos supporters:
> 
>    Why is cAos interesting to you? (your on the list, so it must be ;-)
Open community based distribution, but not unmanageable.
>    
>    What do you want from cAos?
Stability, alternative to "enterprise" distribution.
I am moving from RHL 7.3 to CentOS-3.1 but the next version
might be cAos-2. 
XFS support in cAos-1 is a major plus from RHEL, from my point of view.
>    
>    Where do you forsee the future of cAos?
Both desktop and server "market", multi architecture (x86,x86_64,...)

> 
>    Would you contribute (time and/or money) to cAos to keep it alive?
time, as much as possible as cAos fits my need :) 
> 
>    Does cAos give you the "warm fuzzies" and do you feel comfortable relying
>    on the community behind it?
definitely.

Tru
-- 
Dr Tru Huynh          | http://www.pasteur.fr/recherche/unites/Binfs/
mailto:tru at pasteur.fr | tel/fax +33 1 45 68 87 37/19
Institut Pasteur, 25-28 rue du Docteur Roux, 75724 Paris CEDEX 15 France  


From klamman.gard at telia.com  Tue Apr 13 08:49:10 2004
From: klamman.gard at telia.com (Per Lindstrom)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:49:10 +0200
Subject: [cAos] cAos and the warm fuzzies...
In-Reply-To: <20040413035932.GD759@runlevelzero.net>
References: <20040413035932.GD759@runlevelzero.net>
Message-ID: <407C0BF6.9040809@telia.com>

Greg Kurtzer wrote:

>README: Please take a just a minute to respond to this!
>
>I would like to start documenting why cAos is a good solution.
>
>Can people please forward to me what is it about cAos that they like, and
>their thoughts on the project. 
>
>cAos supporters:
>
>   Why is cAos interesting to you? (your on the list, so it must be ;-)
>  
>

I kneed one general OS for desktops, workstations and clusters (i.e. one 
size fits all). Warewulf is a part of cAos and there will be rpm package 
for openMOSIX as well as MOSIX.

>   
>   What do you want from cAos?
>  
>

Reliable fast code with detailed instructions how to install and operate

>   
>   Where do you forsee the future of cAos?
>  
>

In the field of academic and industrial R&D

>   0Would you contribute (time and/or money) to cAos to keep it alive?
>  
>

1) Time in the form of sharing experiences such as HOWTOS and other 
documentation etc.

2) Money for each PC up and running. (Dubbel recommended fee for each PC 
in commercial operation)

>   Does cAos give you the "warm fuzzies" and do you feel comfortable relying
>   on the community behind it?
>  
>

The cAos community gives a very warm and friendly feeling to me.

>
>If you are NOT a cAos supporter (yet):
>
>   Why not?
>  
>

cAos can't be bringed in to commersial operation before it has been 
proved relaible at academic operations. I think that is quite normal for 
high tech software.

>   What would you like to see for you to become a supporter?
>
>   What is your current distribution of choice, and why?
>  
>

Slackware 9.1 beacuse it gives a stabile system with a very fast solver 
time at simulations with ABAQUS 6.4 (2 x 2,8 GHz XEON) compared to Red 
Hat 9.0. [ http://www.abaqus.com/products/performance64.html ]


>
>Please respond directly to me or the list. Any private emails to me will
>remain private but public responses are most helpful.
>  
>

regards
Per



From klamman.gard at telia.com  Tue Apr 13 08:52:06 2004
From: klamman.gard at telia.com (Per Lindstrom)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:52:06 +0200
Subject: [cAos] ERROR: Could not install GRUB on /dev/hda
In-Reply-To: <20040413051819.GH759@runlevelzero.net>
References: <407B6A90.8040006@telia.com> <20040413042956.GF759@runlevelzero.net> <407B72F4.6040706@telia.com> <20040413051819.GH759@runlevelzero.net>
Message-ID: <407C0CA6.4030006@telia.com>

Greg Kurtzer wrote:

>On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 06:56:20AM +0200, Per Lindstrom told me:
>  
>
>>   hda1     /boot      ext3      128 MB
>>   hda2    swap                        4 GB
>>   hda3    /               xfs            6 GB
>>   hda4    extended
>>   hda5    /home      xfs           20 GB
>>   hda6    /opt          xfs             8 GB
>>   hda7    /usr          xfs          16 GB
>>    
>>
>
>BTW, I think I may have found a bug in cinch-2.0.1 WRT how cinch defines the
>grub partition. Can you also send me the '^root' line in grub.conf?
>
>(Even though I found a potential bug, cinch seemed to be setting the grub
>partition to '0' instead of part_number-1 (which is also 0 in this specific 
>case), so I don't think it is causing the problem that you are having now).
>
>Just in case, please forward the ^root line from your new grub.conf.
>  
>
I like to do, please tell me how to found it

/per

>Thanks.
>  
>



From greg at runlevelzero.net  Tue Apr 13 09:08:03 2004
From: greg at runlevelzero.net (Greg Kurtzer)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:08:03 -0700
Subject: [cAos] ERROR: Could not install GRUB on /dev/hda
In-Reply-To: <407C0CA6.4030006@telia.com>
References: <407B6A90.8040006@telia.com> <20040413042956.GF759@runlevelzero.net> <407B72F4.6040706@telia.com> <20040413051819.GH759@runlevelzero.net> <407C0CA6.4030006@telia.com>
Message-ID: <20040413160803.GA13525@runlevelzero.net>

On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 05:52:06PM +0200, Per Lindstrom told me:
> >>  hda1     /boot      ext3      128 MB
> >>  hda2    swap                        4 GB
> >>  hda3    /               xfs            6 GB
> >>  hda4    extended
> >>  hda5    /home      xfs           20 GB
> >>  hda6    /opt          xfs             8 GB
> >>  hda7    /usr          xfs          16 GB
> >>   
> >>
> >
> >BTW, I think I may have found a bug in cinch-2.0.1 WRT how cinch defines 
> >the
> >grub partition. Can you also send me the '^root' line in grub.conf?
> >
> >(Even though I found a potential bug, cinch seemed to be setting the grub
> >partition to '0' instead of part_number-1 (which is also 0 in this 
> >specific case), so I don't think it is causing the problem that you are 
> >having now).
> >
> >Just in case, please forward the ^root line from your new grub.conf.
> > 
> >
> I like to do, please tell me how to found it

Sure thing.

When in the installer (and after the bootloader failure) you can obtain a
shell by pressing [ALT]-[F2]. From there the file can be found in
/newroot/boot/grub/grub.conf (symlinked at /newroot/etc/grub.conf).

-- 
Greg M. Kurtzer
http://runlevelzero.net/
http://caosity.org/
http://warewulf-cluster.org/


From klamman.gard at telia.com  Tue Apr 13 09:24:29 2004
From: klamman.gard at telia.com (Per Lindstrom)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:24:29 +0200
Subject: [cAos] ERROR: Could not install GRUB on /dev/hda
In-Reply-To: <20040413160803.GA13525@runlevelzero.net>
References: <407B6A90.8040006@telia.com> <20040413042956.GF759@runlevelzero.net> <407B72F4.6040706@telia.com> <20040413051819.GH759@runlevelzero.net> <407C0CA6.4030006@telia.com> <20040413160803.GA13525@runlevelzero.net>
Message-ID: <407C143D.6050800@telia.com>

Greg Kurtzer wrote:

>On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 05:52:06PM +0200, Per Lindstrom told me:
>  
>
>>>> hda1     /boot      ext3      128 MB
>>>> hda2    swap                        4 GB
>>>> hda3    /               xfs            6 GB
>>>> hda4    extended
>>>> hda5    /home      xfs           20 GB
>>>> hda6    /opt          xfs             8 GB
>>>> hda7    /usr          xfs          16 GB
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>BTW, I think I may have found a bug in cinch-2.0.1 WRT how cinch defines 
>>>the
>>>grub partition. Can you also send me the '^root' line in grub.conf?
>>>
>>>(Even though I found a potential bug, cinch seemed to be setting the grub
>>>partition to '0' instead of part_number-1 (which is also 0 in this 
>>>specific case), so I don't think it is causing the problem that you are 
>>>having now).
>>>
>>>Just in case, please forward the ^root line from your new grub.conf.
>>>      
>>>

It is: root (hd0,0)

>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>I like to do, please tell me how to found it
>>    
>>
>
>Sure thing.
>
>When in the installer (and after the bootloader failure) you can obtain a
>shell by pressing [ALT]-[F2]. From there the file can be found in
>/newroot/boot/grub/grub.conf (symlinked at /newroot/etc/grub.conf).
>
>  
>



From landman at scalableinformatics.com  Tue Apr 13 10:24:14 2004
From: landman at scalableinformatics.com (Joe Landman)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:24:14 -0400
Subject: [cAos] cAos and the warm fuzzies...
In-Reply-To: <20040413035932.GD759@runlevelzero.net>
References: <20040413035932.GD759@runlevelzero.net>
Message-ID: <1081877053.4375.20.camel@protein.scalableinformatics.com>

On Mon, 2004-04-12 at 23:59, Greg Kurtzer wrote:

>    Why is cAos interesting to you? (your on the list, so it must be ;-)

It is supportable, it includes good kernels (not hacked together things
that barely compile), it has good processes.

>    What do you want from cAos?

x86_64 (and eventually I am willing to help, when I get my units back),
XFS (oh... its in there :) ), simple module support (e.g. must be *easy*
to add support for new things), simple installation ... yeah, its a
cinch ... , simple package customization, and a good development
platform for new package builders.

>    Where do you forsee the future of cAos?

Groups supporting OS commercially (Owlriver and others).

>    Would you contribute (time and/or money) to cAos to keep it alive?

Yes.

>    Does cAos give you the "warm fuzzies" and do you feel comfortable relying
>    on the community behind it?

The community needs to grow larger.

I am switching systems away from RH.  So far I am happy with SUSE on my
laptop, and probably wont change just yet.  I am building a new set of
file servers which will probably be Centos3/cAos (I need XFS and 3ware
support), or possibly SuSE 9.0 AMD64.

Joe



From akonstam at trinity.edu  Tue Apr 13 11:36:43 2004
From: akonstam at trinity.edu (Aaron Konstam)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:36:43 -0500
Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos]  CentOS - rhgb does not work.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0404111317001.29071@swampfox.owlriver.com>
References: <4078C576.000003.53501@rummer.ez.net.ez.net> <20040411131257.GB480@Moof.CS.Trinity.Edu> <Pine.LNX.4.53.0404111317001.29071@swampfox.owlriver.com>
Message-ID: <20040413183643.GA11906@Moof.CS.Trinity.Edu>

On Sun, Apr 11, 2004 at 01:28:40PM -0400, R P Herrold wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Apr 2004, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> 
> > Am I correct that rhgb (RedHat Graphic Boot) will not work on CentOS?
> > rhgb is not present after installation. I installed it using the
> > fedora rpm. But it still does not work.
> 
> rhgb was not in RHEL-3 series, and so CentOS, being a strict 
> rebuild with trademark content replacement, does not have it 
> either.
> 
> I have not followed the fedora development; what does it do
> that is desireable beyond graphical service status
> indications?; it may be possible to integrate it, but it will
> require alteration of the initscripts (rc.sysinit) to kick off
> the effects.  This would break compatibility with RHEL
> mainline, and so is not likely in the mainline respoitories.
> 
> -- Russ Herrold
The problem with the above explanation is that CentOS has in its
rc.sysinit file the lines to start rhgb. So these lines must have been
in RHEL-3. But it still does not work. So it is still a mystery.
-- 
-------------------------------------------
Aaron Konstam
Computer Science
Trinity University
One Trinity Place.
San Antonio, TX 78212-7200

telephone: (210)-999-7484
email:akonstam at trinity.edu


From james at site-fx.net  Tue Apr 13 11:40:12 2004
From: james at site-fx.net (James A. Peltier)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:40:12 -0600
Subject: [cAos] Centos-3 AS
Message-ID: <407C340C.1090009@site-fx.net>

Will Centos-3 also be released in an AS version similar to 2.1?




From akonstam at trinity.edu  Tue Apr 13 11:53:12 2004
From: akonstam at trinity.edu (Aaron Konstam)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:53:12 -0500
Subject: [cAos] Re: smartd output mystery
In-Reply-To: <407BF9FA.9070409@swbell.net>
References: <20040413132817.GA9956@Moof.CS.Trinity.Edu> <407BF9FA.9070409@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <20040413185312.GC11906@Moof.CS.Trinity.Edu>

On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 09:32:26AM -0500, Randy Kelsoe wrote:
> Aaron Konstam wrote:
> 
> >Recengtly I noticed lines like the following appearing in my LogWatch.
> >Can anyone expalin what these mean and should I start worrying?
> >
> >-------------------- Smartd Begin ------------------------
> >
> >
> >/dev/hda :
> >  3 Time(s): S.M.A.R.T. Attribute: 201 Changed -1
> >  1 Time(s): S.M.A.R.T. Attribute: 201 Changed -13
> >  3 Time(s): S.M.A.R.T. Attribute: 201 Changed -3
> >  13 Time(s): S.M.A.R.T. Attribute: 201 Changed 1
> >  1 Time(s): S.M.A.R.T. Attribute: 201 Changed 2
> >  1 Time(s): S.M.A.R.T. Attribute: 201 Changed 3
> >  7 Time(s): S.M.A.R.T. Attribute: 203 Changed -1
> >  2 Time(s): S.M.A.R.T. Attribute: 203 Changed 1
> >  1 Time(s): S.M.A.R.T. Attribute: 203 Changed 3
> >  1 Time(s): S.M.A.R.T. Attribute: 203 Changed 4
> >  6 Time(s): S.M.A.R.T. Attribute: 7 Changed -1
> >  1 Time(s): S.M.A.R.T. Attribute: 7 Changed -10
> >  1 Time(s): S.M.A.R.T. Attribute: 7 Changed -14
> >  1 Time(s): S.M.A.R.T. Attribute: 7 Changed -16
> >  7 Time(s): S.M.A.R.T. Attribute: 7 Changed -2
> >  1 Time(s): S.M.A.R.T. Attribute: 7 Changed -28
> >  5 Time(s): S.M.A.R.T. Attribute: 7 Changed -3
> > 
> >
> It really depends on the make and model of your drive. You can do a 
> 'smartctl -a /dev/hda' and see what attributes 201, 203, and 7 are. 
> There is also a mailing list for smartmontools:
> 
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/smartmontools-support
> 
The web address seems a good one to get information. However, in
regard to your other comment doing smartctl -a /dev/hda identifies
attribute 7 as Seek Error rate and it is associated with the line:

Attribute		Flag	Value	Worst Threshold		Raw Value
7)Seek Error Rate	0x000a	230	135	000		84926

Which I still don't understand. Attribute 201 and 203 are undefined.

The disk manufacturer says that this is a Linux problem and refuses to
help explain the attributes. OK I know what Seek Error Rate means but
I cannot determine what the line above is telling me about it.Stranger
the end of the output says: Number of Hours in the Drive Life : 3001

That is 125 days. Do I start worrying in 125 days, or what?
-- 
-------------------------------------------
Aaron Konstam
Computer Science
Trinity University
One Trinity Place.
San Antonio, TX 78212-7200

telephone: (210)-999-7484
email:akonstam at trinity.edu


From lance at uklinux.net  Tue Apr 13 12:23:48 2004
From: lance at uklinux.net (Lance Davis)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:23:48 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [cAos] Centos-3 AS
In-Reply-To: <407C340C.1090009@site-fx.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0404132023001.26594-100000@s1.uklinux.net>

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, James A. Peltier wrote:

> Will Centos-3 also be released in an AS version similar to 2.1?

CentOS-3 is the AS version - also known as ES , with apparently little 
difference apart from the available support from RH.

Regards
Lance

-- 
uklinux.net - The ISP of choice for the discerning Linux user. 



From mej at kainx.org  Tue Apr 13 14:04:02 2004
From: mej at kainx.org (Michael Jennings)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 17:04:02 -0400
Subject: [cAos] cAos and the warm fuzzies...
In-Reply-To: <20040413035932.GD759@runlevelzero.net>
References: <20040413035932.GD759@runlevelzero.net>
Message-ID: <20040413210402.GX11659@kainx.org>

On Monday, 12 April 2004, at 20:59:32 (-0700),
Greg Kurtzer wrote:

>    Why is cAos interesting to you? (your on the list, so it must be ;-)

I've been doing the same damn thing for a few years now (Vermillion).
cAos is basically Vermillion with a lot more help.  I like this
idea. :)

>    What do you want from cAos?

Everything.  Stability, security, power.  Good desktop platform.  Good
server platform.  Good firewall platform.  And so on...

>    Where do you forsee the future of cAos?

Everywhere.

>    Would you contribute (time and/or money) to cAos to keep it alive?

I already do. :)

>    Does cAos give you the "warm fuzzies" and do you feel comfortable
>    relying on the community behind it?

Being a part thereof, I'd say yes.

Michael

-- 
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n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/       Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
 "With every kiss our love is like brand new, and every star up in the
  sky was made for me and you.  Still we both know that the road is
  long.  But we know that we will be together because our love is
  strong."                          -- Firehouse, "Love of a Lifetime"


From herrold at owlriver.com  Tue Apr 13 23:55:10 2004
From: herrold at owlriver.com (R P Herrold)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 02:55:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos]  Centos-3 AS
In-Reply-To: <407C340C.1090009@site-fx.net>
References: <407C340C.1090009@site-fx.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404140253340.29135@swampfox.owlriver.com>

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, James A. Peltier wrote:

> Will Centos-3 also be released in an AS version similar to 2.1?

The released CentOS-3 version contains (as far as I know) all 
the components in all RHEL variants, and is a superset of the 
(RH marketing different only) lesser versions.  If you are 
aware of missing elements, please advise with a bugzilla 
detailing the omission.

-- Russ herrold


From rick at linuxmafia.com  Wed Apr 14 00:38:13 2004
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 00:38:13 -0700
Subject: [cAos] cAos and the warm fuzzies...
In-Reply-To: <20040413210402.GX11659@kainx.org>
References: <20040413035932.GD759@runlevelzero.net> <20040413210402.GX11659@kainx.org>
Message-ID: <20040414073813.GO19884@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Michael Jennings (mej at kainx.org):

> I've been doing the same damn thing for a few years now (Vermillion).
> cAos is basically Vermillion with a lot more help.  I like this
> idea. :)

So, aren't you glad I suggested that?

(Downloading CentOS 3.1 right now.)

-- 
Cheers,                   The cynics among us might say:   "We laugh, 
Rick Moen                 monkeyboys -- Linux IS the mainstream UNIX now!
rick at linuxmafia.com       MuaHaHaHa!" but that would be rude. -- Jim Dennis


From steve at ez.net  Sat Apr 10 21:02:24 2004
From: steve at ez.net (Steve Schilt)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:02:24 -0700
Subject: [cAos] Creating boot loaders
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.0.20040410173823.029bfc40@mail.ez.net>

I am having trouble getting a successful cinch install. I have tried the CD 
install on three different machines and failed on all three. In each case 
the install does not create a complete boot loader and when I try to either 
create a boot floppy or do a re-boot it fails. On one machine it gave me an 
error message saying it could not put the bootloader on any one of three 
options that I furnished, hda, hdb and hdc.

Because there was a consistency in the errors I reran the md5sum but found 
no error there.

Can anyone help?




From stmn3 at perleasy.com  Sun Apr 11 10:42:29 2004
From: stmn3 at perleasy.com (Steve Schilt)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 10:42:29 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
Subject: [cAos] Re: Trouble with install
References: <20040411160001.7401.67547.Mailman@caos1.caosity.org>
Message-ID: <40798385.000001.53501@rummer.ez.net.ez.net>

Thanks Russ,

The cinch.iso I used is the one at http:/69.56.240.122/cAos-1/cinch/current.
Which version is the current? Should I try an older version? Newer one?

On each machine I have tried there has been a successful RH9 or Fedora
distro there before. One machine is SCSI the other two are IDE.

Any ideas?
 
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5. CentOS - rhgb does not work. (Aaron Konstam)

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From: "Jakub Wojtanowski" <jakub.wojtanowski at vogar.com.pl>
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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 08:32:48 +0200
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:08:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: R P Herrold <herrold at owlriver.com>
To: caos at caosity.org
Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos] RH9 upgrade
Reply-To: caos at caosity.org

On Mon, 5 Apr 2004, Jakub Wojtanowski wrote:

> I have my server running Redhat 9. Official support will no
> longer be maintained from 1'st May, so I'm considering a
> migration to Centos 3.1. Is it possible to simply upgrade,
> or I have to reinstall whole system ?

I have documented moving from RHL 8 to 9:
http://www.owlriver.com/projects/yum/rhl8-to-rhl9/ 
and from cAos-1 to CentOS-3 
at: 
http://www.owlriver.com/projects/centos/caos-upgrade/
using yum.

The unit upon which I am typing this started as a RHL 8 and is 
presently running CentOS-3; I had to start the install back 
at RHL-8 as it has no CD drive, and I wanted an easy boot from 
CD with network driver's on a second floppy, and a set of 
RHL-8 ISOs were already mounted on my PXE boot install server:
http://www.owlriver.com/tips/pxe-install/
I went through an intermediate RHL-9 Upgrade on the way to 
Centos-3

so yes, it has worked for me.

-- Russ Herrold

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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:11:34 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)
From: "Steve Schilt" <stmn3 at perleasy.com>
To: <caos at caosity.org>
Subject: [cAos] Trouble with install
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 00:40:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: R P Herrold <herrold at owlriver.com>
To: caos at caosity.org
Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos] Trouble with install
Reply-To: caos at caosity.org

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004, Steve Schilt wrote:

> I am having trouble getting a successful cinch install. I have tried the
CD
> install on three different machines and failed on all three. In each case
> the install does not create a complete boot loader and when I try to
either
> create a boot floppy or do a re-boot it fails. On one machine it gave me
an
> error message saying it could not put the bootloader on any one of three
> options that I furnished, hda, hdb and hdc.

which cinch -- 1.7, or one of the testing versions?

and is there anything unusual about your hardware situation? 
Have other Linux installations been possible on it?

-- Russ Herrold

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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 08:12:57 -0500
From: Aaron Konstam <akonstam at trinity.edu>
To: caos at caosity.org
Subject: [cAos] CentOS - rhgb does not work.
Reply-To: caos at caosity.org

Am I correct that rhgb (RedHat Graphic Boot) will not work on CentOS?
rhgb is not present after installation. I installed it using the
fedora rpm. But it still does not work.
-- 
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Aaron Konstam
Computer Science
Trinity University
One Trinity Place.
San Antonio, TX 78212-7200

telephone: (210)-999-7484
email:akonstam at trinity.edu


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From greg at runlevelzero.net  Wed Apr 14 21:27:52 2004
From: greg at runlevelzero.net (Greg Kurtzer)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 21:27:52 -0700
Subject: [cAos] Creating boot loaders
In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.0.20040410173823.029bfc40@mail.ez.net>
References: <6.0.0.22.0.20040410173823.029bfc40@mail.ez.net>
Message-ID: <20040415042752.GA5829@runlevelzero.net>

Several others were having a similar problem when using the manual partition
method in cinch. The problem was that cinch was making an incorrect
/boot/grub/device.map, thus grub was having issues.

Just earlier today, I uploaded cinch-2.0.2 which should be on all mirrors by
now. Can you please test that version and let me know if it now works.

On Sat, Apr 10, 2004 at 09:02:24PM -0700, Steve Schilt told me:
> I am having trouble getting a successful cinch install. I have tried the CD 
> install on three different machines and failed on all three. In each case 
> the install does not create a complete boot loader and when I try to either 
> create a boot floppy or do a re-boot it fails. On one machine it gave me an 
> error message saying it could not put the bootloader on any one of three 
> options that I furnished, hda, hdb and hdc.
> 
> Because there was a consistency in the errors I reran the md5sum but found 
> no error there.
> 
> Can anyone help?
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> cAos mailing list
> cAos at caosity.org
> http://www.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/caos

-- 
Greg M. Kurtzer
http://runlevelzero.net/
http://caosity.org/
http://warewulf-cluster.org/


From landman at scalableinformatics.com  Thu Apr 15 09:03:35 2004
From: landman at scalableinformatics.com (Joe Landman)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:03:35 -0400
Subject: [cAos] question on file system and RAID support
Message-ID: <1082045014.5660.192.camel@protein.scalableinformatics.com>

Folks:

  Does Centos-3 support (out of box)

	. XFS
	. 3ware 7506

  I am rebuilding my main corporate server.  I would like to stick with
XFS if possible.  I know cAos supports it, I would like to use Centos
for this though.

  Thanks!

Joe 



From jrw at nplus1.net  Thu Apr 15 09:41:36 2004
From: jrw at nplus1.net (Jacob Robert Wilkins)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:41:36 -0400
Subject: [cAos] question on file system and RAID support
In-Reply-To: <1082045014.5660.192.camel@protein.scalableinformatics.com>
References: <1082045014.5660.192.camel@protein.scalableinformatics.com>
Message-ID: <20040415164136.GD29252@nplus1.net>

On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 12:03:35PM -0400, Joe Landman wrote:
> Folks:
> 
>   Does Centos-3 support (out of box)
> 
> 	. XFS

Nope.

It does support JFS, which seems to have pretty much the same featureset
and performance as XFS. 

> 	. 3ware 7506

Dunno. Check RH's website, if it will work with RHEL3 then it will work
with centos.

jrw


From lance at uklinux.net  Thu Apr 15 09:47:21 2004
From: lance at uklinux.net (Lance Davis)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 17:47:21 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [cAos] question on file system and RAID support
In-Reply-To: <20040415164136.GD29252@nplus1.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0404151746010.9424-100000@s1.uklinux.net>

On Thu, 15 Apr 2004, Jacob Robert Wilkins wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 12:03:35PM -0400, Joe Landman wrote:
> > Folks:
> > 
> >   Does Centos-3 support (out of box)
> > 
> > 	. XFS
> 
> Nope.
> 
> It does support JFS, which seems to have pretty much the same featureset
> and performance as XFS. 
> 
> > 	. 3ware 7506
> 
> Dunno. Check RH's website, if it will work with RHEL3 then it will work
> with centos.

The 3ware cards have been supported in the kernel for ages - I am using 
7504 with centos with no problems.

Lance

-- 
uklinux.net - The ISP of choice for the discerning Linux user. 



From landman at scalableinformatics.com  Thu Apr 15 09:52:15 2004
From: landman at scalableinformatics.com (Joe Landman)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 12:52:15 -0400
Subject: [cAos] question on file system and RAID support
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0404151746010.9424-100000@s1.uklinux.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0404151746010.9424-100000@s1.uklinux.net>
Message-ID: <1082047934.5660.207.camel@protein.scalableinformatics.com>

On Thu, 2004-04-15 at 12:47, Lance Davis wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Apr 2004, Jacob Robert Wilkins wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 12:03:35PM -0400, Joe Landman wrote:
> > > Folks:
> > > 
> > >   Does Centos-3 support (out of box)
> > > 
> > > 	. XFS
> > 
> > Nope.

Oh well... Anyone interested in an XFS supported CentOS kernel, or is
that verboten?  I'd be happy to build/test...

> > 
> > It does support JFS, which seems to have pretty much the same featureset
> > and performance as XFS. 
> > 
> > > 	. 3ware 7506
> > 
> > Dunno. Check RH's website, if it will work with RHEL3 then it will work
> > with centos.
> 
> The 3ware cards have been supported in the kernel for ages - I am using 
> 7504 with centos with no problems.

Cool.  

Worst case, I could use ext3.  Much prefer xfs.  Thanks!

> 
> Lance



From tru at pasteur.fr  Thu Apr 15 11:20:44 2004
From: tru at pasteur.fr (Tru Huynh)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 20:20:44 +0200
Subject: [cAos] question on file system and RAID support
In-Reply-To: <1082045014.5660.192.camel@protein.scalableinformatics.com>; from landman@scalableinformatics.com on Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 12:03:35PM -0400
References: <1082045014.5660.192.camel@protein.scalableinformatics.com>
Message-ID: <20040415202044.D11897@xiii.bis.pasteur.fr>

On Thu, Apr 15, 2004 at 12:03:35PM -0400, Joe Landman wrote:
> Folks:
> 
>   Does Centos-3 support (out of box)
> 
> 	. XFS
no, RedHat does not have XFS enabled kernel.
and I haven't tried linux-2.4.26 (XFS included) and  Native POSIX Thread
Library (NPTL)

Tru


From landman at scalableinformatics.com  Fri Apr 16 08:29:59 2004
From: landman at scalableinformatics.com (Joe Landman)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 11:29:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cAos] cAos vs CentOS3
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0404161123550.9538-100000@squash.scalableinformatics.com>

Folks:

  Looking at a server here.  Played with SuSE 9 on it.  I am still 
thinking of cAos vs CentOS3.  Main features are 

1) 0.5 TB 3ware escalade 7506 RAID 5
2) XFS file system on RAID5

  I will be hosting mail (postfix, spamassassin, amavisd, bogofilter, 
clamav), web (apache 1.3.x, HTML::Mason, etc), webmail, smb, dns, ... on 
it.  The data resides on the RAID5.  The OS on 2 x 40 GB disks.  

  Has anyone deployed cAos for a similar scenario?  Russ?  Any things to 
worry about?  I have the cinch 2.0.2 disk sitting here, freshly burnt...  
I can last another day or two on the backup systems (web is down, but 
email is not).  

  Is this the wrong use for cAos?  Inquiring minds ...

-- 
Joe Landman



From jtate at dragonstrider.com  Fri Apr 16 09:39:35 2004
From: jtate at dragonstrider.com (Joseph Tate)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:39:35 -0400
Subject: [cAos] cAos vs CentOS3
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0404161123550.9538-100000@squash.scalableinformatics.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0404161123550.9538-100000@squash.scalableinformatics.com>
Message-ID: <40800C47.7060100@dragonstrider.com>

Joe Landman wrote:

> Folks:
> 
>   Looking at a server here.  Played with SuSE 9 on it.  I am still 
> thinking of cAos vs CentOS3.  Main features are 
> 
> 1) 0.5 TB 3ware escalade 7506 RAID 5
> 2) XFS file system on RAID5
> 
>   I will be hosting mail (postfix, spamassassin, amavisd, bogofilter, 
> clamav), web (apache 1.3.x, HTML::Mason, etc), webmail, smb, dns, ... on 
> it.  The data resides on the RAID5.  The OS on 2 x 40 GB disks.  
> 
>   Has anyone deployed cAos for a similar scenario?  Russ?  Any things to 
> worry about?  I have the cinch 2.0.2 disk sitting here, freshly burnt...  
> I can last another day or two on the backup systems (web is down, but 
> email is not).  
> 
>   Is this the wrong use for cAos?  Inquiring minds ...
> 

Well if you must have apache 1.3 you'll be compiling from source on 
CentOS 3.  Packages exist for cAos.

The only reservation I have right now to using caos on a server is that 
you'll probably need to compile a custom kernel that optimizes for your 
architecture.


From jrw at nplus1.net  Fri Apr 16 09:56:38 2004
From: jrw at nplus1.net (Jacob Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:56:38 -0400
Subject: [cAos] cAos vs CentOS3
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0404161123550.9538-100000@squash.scalableinformatics.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0404161123550.9538-100000@squash.scalableinformatics.com>
Message-ID: <40801046.4010704@nplus1.net>

Joe Landman wrote:

>Folks:
>
>  Looking at a server here.  Played with SuSE 9 on it.  I am still 
>thinking of cAos vs CentOS3.  Main features are 
>
>1) 0.5 TB 3ware escalade 7506 RAID 5
>  
>
Is this SATA? There isn't good SATA support in caos yet. What
module does this thing use? Make sure the caos kernel supports it.

I'm fairly sure centos would.

>2) XFS file system on RAID5
>  
>

No XFS in centos, but ther is JFS.

>  I will be hosting mail (postfix, spamassassin, amavisd, bogofilter, 
>clamav), web (apache 1.3.x, HTML::Mason, etc), webmail, smb, dns, ... on 
>it.  The data resides on the RAID5.  The OS on 2 x 40 GB disks. 
>  Has anyone deployed cAos for a similar scenario?  Russ?  Any things to 
>worry about?  I have the cinch 2.0.2 disk sitting here, freshly burnt...  
>I can last another day or two on the backup systems (web is down, but 
>email is not). 
>  
>
Some of the stuff you mention there is packaged for caos, but not centos.

jrw


From rick at linuxmafia.com  Fri Apr 16 13:12:35 2004
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:12:35 -0700
Subject: [cAos] cAos vs CentOS3
In-Reply-To: <40801046.4010704@nplus1.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0404161123550.9538-100000@squash.scalableinformatics.com> <40801046.4010704@nplus1.net>
Message-ID: <20040416201235.GB19884@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Jacob Wilkins (jrw at nplus1.net), responding to Joe Landman:

> > Looking at a server here.  Played with SuSE 9 on it.  I am still 
> >thinking of cAos vs CentOS3.  Main features are 
> >
> >1) 0.5 TB 3ware escalade 7506 RAID 5
> >
> Is this SATA? There isn't good SATA support in caos yet. What
> module does this thing use? Make sure the caos kernel supports it.

The 7xxx series isn't SATA:  You're probably thinking of the 8xxx one.

(Best way to get good SATA support is to use a 2.6 kernel.  More at:
"Serial ATA" on http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Hardware )

-- 
Cheers,
Rick Moen                      "vi is my shepherd; I shall not font."
rick at linuxmafia.com                               -- Psalm 0.1 beta


From greg at runlevelzero.net  Fri Apr 16 13:33:39 2004
From: greg at runlevelzero.net (Greg Kurtzer)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:33:39 -0700
Subject: [cAos] cAos vs CentOS3
In-Reply-To: <20040416201235.GB19884@linuxmafia.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0404161123550.9538-100000@squash.scalableinformatics.com> <40801046.4010704@nplus1.net> <20040416201235.GB19884@linuxmafia.com>
Message-ID: <20040416203339.GB22825@runlevelzero.net>

On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 01:12:35PM -0700, Rick Moen told me:
> > >1) 0.5 TB 3ware escalade 7506 RAID 5
> > >
> > Is this SATA? There isn't good SATA support in caos yet. What
> > module does this thing use? Make sure the caos kernel supports it.
> 
> The 7xxx series isn't SATA:  You're probably thinking of the 8xxx one.
> 
> (Best way to get good SATA support is to use a 2.6 kernel.  More at:
> "Serial ATA" on http://linuxmafia.com/kb/Hardware )

You do not need SATA support to use the 3Ware SATA raid cards. Remember that
3Ware looks to the kernel as a SCSI device once the module has been loaded.

We have several SATA 3Ware boards all running on RH7.3 based systems.
-- 
Greg M. Kurtzer
http://runlevelzero.net/
http://caosity.org/
http://warewulf-cluster.org/


From rick at linuxmafia.com  Fri Apr 16 13:41:34 2004
From: rick at linuxmafia.com (Rick Moen)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 13:41:34 -0700
Subject: [cAos] cAos vs CentOS3
In-Reply-To: <20040416203339.GB22825@runlevelzero.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0404161123550.9538-100000@squash.scalableinformatics.com> <40801046.4010704@nplus1.net> <20040416201235.GB19884@linuxmafia.com> <20040416203339.GB22825@runlevelzero.net>
Message-ID: <20040416204134.GD19884@linuxmafia.com>

Quoting Greg Kurtzer (greg at runlevelzero.net):

> You do not need SATA support to use the 3Ware SATA raid cards. Remember that
> 3Ware looks to the kernel as a SCSI device once the module has been loaded.

This is noted on my page.

> We have several SATA 3Ware boards all running on RH7.3 based systems.

Excellent cards, and 3Ware RAID is hard to beat for price per redundant
gigabyte -- within limits set by ATA's somewhat iff-ey data integrity.



From sstaats at questia.com  Wed Apr 21 13:57:27 2004
From: sstaats at questia.com (Sean Staats)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 15:57:27 -0500
Subject: [cAos] cAos and the warm fuzzies...
In-Reply-To: <20040413035932.GD759@runlevelzero.net>
References: <20040413035932.GD759@runlevelzero.net>
Message-ID: <1082581046.15500.111.camel@ranger>

Sorry for the late response; however, I've been busy upgrading servers
to CentOS 3.1 ;-)

1) Why is cAos interesting to you? (your on the list, so it must be ;-)
It provides a stable distribution based on RHEL 3 source.  This allows
us to take advantage of the benefits of using RHEL 3 without the costs
of unneeded support.

2) What do you want from cAos?
Timely security and errata updates.
AMD Opteron support.

3) Where do you forsee the future of cAos?
I see cAos becoming one of the mainstream Linux/OSS communities and even
possibly expanding with new applications.

4) Would you contribute (time and/or money) to cAos to keep it alive?
Abso-freaking-lutely :-)  Will try to do both.

5) Does cAos give you the "warm fuzzies" and do you feel comfortable
relying on the community behind it?
Yes and yes.  I found cAos just several weeks ago, but from what I've
seen so far from the cAos website and IRC channels, I'm very confident
in the cAos community.

Many thanks to the cAos team for their hard work and dedication.

Cheers!
Sean Staats

On Mon, 2004-04-12 at 22:59, caos-admin at caosity.org wrote: 
> README: Please take a just a minute to respond to this!
> 
> I would like to start documenting why cAos is a good solution.
> 
> Can people please forward to me what is it about cAos that they like, and
> their thoughts on the project. 
> 
> cAos supporters:
> 
>    Why is cAos interesting to you? (your on the list, so it must be ;-)
>    
>    What do you want from cAos?
>    
>    Where do you forsee the future of cAos?
> 
>    Would you contribute (time and/or money) to cAos to keep it alive?
> 
>    Does cAos give you the "warm fuzzies" and do you feel comfortable relying
>    on the community behind it?
> 
> 
> If you are NOT a cAos supporter (yet):
> 
>    Why not?
> 
>    What would you like to see for you to become a supporter?
> 
>    What is your current distribution of choice, and why?
> 
> 
> Please respond directly to me or the list. Any private emails to me will
> remain private but public responses are most helpful.




From coobav at interia.pl  Fri Apr 23 04:26:25 2004
From: coobav at interia.pl (Jakub Wojtanowski)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:26:25 +0200
Subject: [cAos] Kernel update
Message-ID: <001b01c42925$d0dbc8d0$ce00000a@athlonxp>

When there will be an update regarding kernel 
https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2004-183.html ?

Best Regards
Cooba



From mailing-lists at hughesjr.com  Fri Apr 23 04:50:33 2004
From: mailing-lists at hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 06:50:33 -0500
Subject: [cAos] Kernel update
In-Reply-To: <001b01c42925$d0dbc8d0$ce00000a@athlonxp>
References: <001b01c42925$d0dbc8d0$ce00000a@athlonxp>
Message-ID: <1082721033.10847.4.camel@CentOS-31>

YES :)

It was announced yeterday at 1516 (-0400) ... it hasn't even been 24
hours yet...

https://www.redhat.com/archives/enterprise-watch-list/2004-April/msg00008.html

- Johnny Hughes

On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 06:26, Jakub Wojtanowski wrote:
> When there will be an update regarding kernel 
> https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2004-183.html ?
> 
> Best Regards
> Cooba
> 
> _______________________________________________
> cAos mailing list
> cAos at caosity.org
> http://www.caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/caos



From coobav at interia.pl  Mon Apr 26 03:01:28 2004
From: coobav at interia.pl (Jakub Wojtanowski)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:01:28 +0200
Subject: [cAos] Kernel RHEL update
Message-ID: <000b01c42b75$720c8e50$ce00000a@athlonxp>

Since I cannot find updated kernel for centos 3.1, may i use the one from another redhatlike distro http://dist.taolinux.org/tao-1.0/updates/kernel-2.4.21-9.0.3.TL.i586.rpm instead ? Or there will be some compatibility problems 

Best Regards
Cooba
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From mailing-lists at hughesjr.com  Mon Apr 26 03:12:03 2004
From: mailing-lists at hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 05:12:03 -0500
Subject: [cAos] Kernel RHEL update
In-Reply-To: <000b01c42b75$720c8e50$ce00000a@athlonxp>
References: <000b01c42b75$720c8e50$ce00000a@athlonxp>
Message-ID: <1082974323.22707.0.camel@CentOS-31>

http://caos2.caosity.org/build8/updates/i386/RPMS/

On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 05:01, Jakub Wojtanowski wrote:

> Since I cannot find updated kernel for centos 3.1, may i use the one
> from another redhatlike distro
> http://dist.taolinux.org/tao-1.0/updates/kernel-2.4.21-9.0.3.TL.i586.rpm instead ? Or there will be some compatibility problems 
> 
> Best Regards
> Cooba
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From coobav at interia.pl  Mon Apr 26 03:18:50 2004
From: coobav at interia.pl (Jakub Wojtanowski)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:18:50 +0200
Subject: [cAos] Kernel RHEL update
Message-ID: <000a01c42b77$ded26710$ce00000a@athlonxp>

Ok, my mistake. But I wasn't aware that updates are here http://caos2.caosity.org/build8/updates/i386/RPMS/ and looked there http://mirror.centos.org/centos/3.1/updates/i386/RPMS/ maybe you could provide some info for guys like me :) because I think that the link I used is pretty logical, isn't it ?

Best Regards
Cooba
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From coobav at interia.pl  Mon Apr 26 03:27:50 2004
From: coobav at interia.pl (Jakub Wojtanowski)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:27:50 +0200
Subject: [cAos] Kernel for i586arch
Message-ID: <001701c42b79$20d3b8c0$ce00000a@athlonxp>

I see only Kernel's for i686 and Athlon (only boot, doc, source but no plain or smp). What about Pentium MMX, can I install Centos 3.1 on it ?
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From mailing-lists at hughesjr.com  Mon Apr 26 03:32:40 2004
From: mailing-lists at hughesjr.com (Johnny Hughes)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 05:32:40 -0500
Subject: [cAos] Kernel RHEL update
In-Reply-To: <000a01c42b77$ded26710$ce00000a@athlonxp>
References: <000a01c42b77$ded26710$ce00000a@athlonxp>
Message-ID: <1082975560.22707.9.camel@CentOS-31>

That is a testing location ... once they are finished with the testing
phase they will move it to the other location.  It will then be where
you are looking and available via yum.

There are two better mailing lists for CentOS devel issues (and the
availability of CentOS packages) they are:

http://caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

and

http://caosity.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel

- Johnny Hughes

On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 05:18, Jakub Wojtanowski wrote:

> Ok, my mistake. But I wasn't aware that updates are here
> http://caos2.caosity.org/build8/updates/i386/RPMS/ and looked there
> http://mirror.centos.org/centos/3.1/updates/i386/RPMS/ maybe you could
> provide some info for guys like me :) because I think that the link I
> used is pretty logical, isn't it ?
>  
> Best Regards
> Cooba
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From jpm at majors.com  Mon Apr 26 10:10:59 2004
From: jpm at majors.com (James Marshallsea)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:10:59 -0500
Subject: [cAos] RE: GPG
Message-ID: <408D42A3.4050907@majors.com>

Hi

I just installed the latest Centos and Yum keep sreporting that the 
correct GPG key are not installed.  How do I install them?

...Jim

 



From jrw at nplus1.net  Mon Apr 26 10:44:23 2004
From: jrw at nplus1.net (Jacob Robert Wilkins)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:44:23 -0400
Subject: [cAos] RE: GPG
In-Reply-To: <408D42A3.4050907@majors.com>
References: <408D42A3.4050907@majors.com>
Message-ID: <20040426174422.GB17043@nplus1.net>

On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 12:10:59PM -0500, James Marshallsea wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I just installed the latest Centos and Yum keep sreporting that the 
> correct GPG key are not installed.  How do I install them?
> 
> ...Jim

rpm --import http://mirror.centos.org/centos/3.1/i386/RPM-GPG-KEY-CentOS-3

Its a common question. We need to do a better job of making the soultion
known.

jrw


From herrold at owlriver.com  Mon Apr 26 19:15:44 2004
From: herrold at owlriver.com (R P Herrold)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:15:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cAos] CentOS GPG key import process
In-Reply-To: <20040426174422.GB17043@nplus1.net>
References: <408D42A3.4050907@majors.com> <20040426174422.GB17043@nplus1.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404262213370.29219@swampfox.owlriver.com>

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Jacob Robert Wilkins wrote:

> > I just installed the latest Centos and Yum keeps reporting that the 
> > correct GPG key are not installed.  How do I install them?

   rpm --import http://mirror.centos.org/centos/3.1/i386/RPM-GPG-KEY-CentOS-3

> It's a common question. We need to do a better job of making the solution
> known.

now present at:
    http://caosity.org/index.php?option=faq&task=viewfaq&artid=24&Itemid=5

-- Russ Herrold


From herrold at owlriver.com  Mon Apr 26 19:38:32 2004
From: herrold at owlriver.com (R P Herrold)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:38:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos]  Kernel RHEL update
In-Reply-To: <000b01c42b75$720c8e50$ce00000a@athlonxp>
References: <000b01c42b75$720c8e50$ce00000a@athlonxp>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404262236230.6407@swampfox.owlriver.com>

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Jakub Wojtanowski wrote:

> Since I cannot find updated kernel for centos 3.1, may i use
> the one from another redhatlike distro
> http://dist.taolinux.org/tao-1.0/updates/kernel-2.4.21-9.0.3.TL.i586.rpm
> instead ? Or there will be some compatibility problems

It may be more productive to ask centos questions on one of 
the centos lists -- the centos-devel mailing list had a post 
by me within the last 24 hours with the details.  Subscription 
to all public cAos project mailing lists are freely available 
at: 
   http://caosity.org/mailman/listinfo

-- Russ Herrold


From herrold at owlriver.com  Mon Apr 26 19:45:33 2004
From: herrold at owlriver.com (R P Herrold)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:45:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [cAos] Re: cAos]  Kernel for i586arch
In-Reply-To: <001701c42b79$20d3b8c0$ce00000a@athlonxp>
References: <001701c42b79$20d3b8c0$ce00000a@athlonxp>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404262239320.6407@swampfox.owlriver.com>

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Jakub Wojtanowski wrote:

> I see only Kernel's for i686 and Athlon (only boot, doc,
> source but no plain or smp). What about Pentium MMX, can I
> install Centos 3.1 on it ?

Upstream, pre i686 procesors are not in the support profile 
for a strict rebuild; Tao has made the (reasonable) decision 
of building i586 which would include Pentium and 'Pentium MMX'

It may be that these will be built for CentOS as an ./addon/
but I would not expect them in the main rebuild archive. 

The problem is that hardware that old tends not to have as
much RAM as is needed for a reasonable 'Enterprise'
responsiveness, and so the 'benefit' of users and testing on
the older hardware is small, and the end user is more 'on
their own'; In that case, a simple SRPM rebuild with the arch
flag set properly seems an alternative response.

-- Russ Herrold


From Tom.DeBlende at dhl.com  Tue Apr 27 00:23:35 2004
From: Tom.DeBlende at dhl.com (Tom DE BLENDE (GCC))
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 09:23:35 +0200
Subject: [cAos] CentOS GPG key import process
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404262213370.29219@swampfox.owlriver.com>
References: <408D42A3.4050907@majors.com> <20040426174422.GB17043@nplus1.net> <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404262213370.29219@swampfox.owlriver.com>
Message-ID: <408E0A77.2080704@dhl.com>


R P Herrold wrote:

>On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Jacob Robert Wilkins wrote:
>  
>
>>It's a common question. We need to do a better job of making the solution
>>known.
>>    
>>
I am new to CentOS and must say that I am very happy with it! This being 
said: I did have the same problem, and some Googling showed me the way.

>now present at:
>    http://caosity.org/index.php?option=faq&task=viewfaq&artid=24&Itemid=5
>  
>
Well maintained FAQ's are vital to keep the same questions from 
reappearing on the list time and time again. I can speak from the 
experience I have built up by my (very modest) contributions to Nagios 
(http://www.nagios.org) and it's mailing lists.

Ethan -lead developer- of Nagios has created a FAQ system that allows 
users to send in FAQ's (together with the answer). It is moderated, so 
they only appear on the FAQ listings when he has reveiwed them. It has a 
search function as well (something which is lacking on the CentOS FAQ's 
IIRC).

Another good thing would be a search function for the mailing list 
archives. I have looked for one, but haven't found it so far.

I hope my remarks are not being seen as bad criticism, but as 
constructive ;-)

Keep up the good work with CentOS!

Kind regards,
Tom




From lance at uklinux.net  Tue Apr 27 04:31:10 2004
From: lance at uklinux.net (Lance Davis)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:31:10 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [cAos] CentOS GPG key import process
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404262213370.29219@swampfox.owlriver.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0404271230310.6427-100000@s1.uklinux.net>

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, R P Herrold wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Jacob Robert Wilkins wrote:
> 
> > > I just installed the latest Centos and Yum keeps reporting that the 
> > > correct GPG key are not installed.  How do I install them?
> 
>    rpm --import http://mirror.centos.org/centos/3.1/i386/RPM-GPG-KEY-CentOS-3
> 
> > It's a common question. We need to do a better job of making the solution
> > known.

I think the key should be installed automatically as part of the install 
process - but dont know how / why it isnt ...

Lance

-- 
uklinux.net - The ISP of choice for the discerning Linux user. 



From lance at uklinux.net  Tue Apr 27 04:31:34 2004
From: lance at uklinux.net (Lance Davis)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:31:34 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [cAos] CentOS GPG key import process
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0404262213370.29219@swampfox.owlriver.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0404271230310.6427-100000@s1.uklinux.net>

On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, R P Herrold wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Jacob Robert Wilkins wrote:
> 
> > > I just installed the latest Centos and Yum keeps reporting that the 
> > > correct GPG key are not installed.  How do I install them?
> 
>    rpm --import http://mirror.centos.org/centos/3.1/i386/RPM-GPG-KEY-CentOS-3
> 
> > It's a common question. We need to do a better job of making the solution
> > known.

I think the key should be installed automatically as part of the install 
process - but dont know how / why it isnt ...

Lance

-- 
uklinux.net - The ISP of choice for the discerning Linux user. 



From laytonjb at charter.net  Wed Apr 28 13:44:35 2004
From: laytonjb at charter.net (Jeffrey B. Layton)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 16:44:35 -0400
Subject: [cAos] Problems installing caos 1 with cinch
Message-ID: <409017B3.1090204@charter.net>

Hello,

   I took the plunge and tried installing caos 1 on a
new box I bought. I downloaded the cinch iso from
2.0.3. During the install it couldn't find the NIC
even though after the install I could find it with
no problem. Any thoughts? (I know it's not a problem
per say, but it's annoying).
   Second, after the installation, I updated the yum.conf
file to point to:

http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/certified/i386

I then tried, 'yum update' and got the following:

retrygrab() failed for:
http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/certified/i386
Executing failover method
failover: out of servers to try

The reason it gave for the failure is the following:

error getting file 
http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/certified/i386/headers/header.info
[Errno 7] HTTP Error (CannotSendRequest)


   I've googled a bit and I've only found a few reports
with similar information, but no solutions. Does
anyone have any ideas?

TIA!

Jeff




From jrw at nplus1.net  Wed Apr 28 14:07:19 2004
From: jrw at nplus1.net (Jacob Robert Wilkins)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:07:19 -0400
Subject: [cAos] Problems installing caos 1 with cinch
In-Reply-To: <409017B3.1090204@charter.net>
References: <409017B3.1090204@charter.net>
Message-ID: <20040428210719.GA31574@nplus1.net>

On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 04:44:35PM -0400, Jeffrey B. Layton wrote:
> Hello,
> 
>   I took the plunge and tried installing caos 1 on a
> new box I bought. I downloaded the cinch iso from
> 2.0.3. During the install it couldn't find the NIC
> even though after the install I could find it with
> no problem. Any thoughts? (I know it's not a problem
> per say, but it's annoying).

The installer kernel sometimes doesn't have all the drivers it needs.

What module does your nic use? 

>   Second, after the installation, I updated the yum.conf
> file to point to:
> 
> http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/certified/i386
> 
> I then tried, 'yum update' and got the following:
> 
> retrygrab() failed for:
> http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/certified/i386
> Executing failover method
> failover: out of servers to try
> 
> The reason it gave for the failure is the following:
> 
> error getting file 
> http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/certified/i386/headers/header.info
> [Errno 7] HTTP Error (CannotSendRequest)

Have you confirmed that your network is actually setup?

Do you have name servers in /etc/resolv.conf?

Can you resolve and ping mirror.caosity.org? Can you browse there from a
web browser on that machine?

jrw


From laytonjb at charter.net  Wed Apr 28 14:34:01 2004
From: laytonjb at charter.net (Jeffrey B. Layton)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:34:01 -0400
Subject: [cAos] Problems installing caos 1 with cinch
In-Reply-To: <20040428210719.GA31574@nplus1.net>
References: <409017B3.1090204@charter.net> <20040428210719.GA31574@nplus1.net>
Message-ID: <40902349.4090403@charter.net>

Jacob Robert Wilkins wrote:

>On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 04:44:35PM -0400, Jeffrey B. Layton wrote:
>  
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>  I took the plunge and tried installing caos 1 on a
>>new box I bought. I downloaded the cinch iso from
>>2.0.3. During the install it couldn't find the NIC
>>even though after the install I could find it with
>>no problem. Any thoughts? (I know it's not a problem
>>per say, but it's annoying).
>>    
>>
>
>The installer kernel sometimes doesn't have all the drivers it needs.
>
>What module does your nic use? 
>

I think it's via-rhine. At least that's the module loaded and
it shows it being used (I need to check this again to make
sure it's accurate).

>>  Second, after the installation, I updated the yum.conf
>>file to point to:
>>
>>http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/certified/i386
>>
>>I then tried, 'yum update' and got the following:
>>
>>retrygrab() failed for:
>>http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/certified/i386
>>Executing failover method
>>failover: out of servers to try
>>
>>The reason it gave for the failure is the following:
>>
>>error getting file 
>>http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/certified/i386/headers/header.info
>>[Errno 7] HTTP Error (CannotSendRequest)
>>    
>>
>
>Have you confirmed that your network is actually setup?
>

Bingo. I can ping just about everything in sight.

>Do you have name servers in /etc/resolv.conf?
>

Roger.

>Can you resolve and ping mirror.caosity.org? Can you browse there from a
>web browser on that machine?
>

I can resolve and ping it. I'll try "re-pinging" it to make sure.

I can't browse becasue I don't have X installed or Mozilla.
The install is just a basic installation.

Thanks!

Jeff




From jrw at nplus1.net  Wed Apr 28 14:34:27 2004
From: jrw at nplus1.net (Jacob Robert Wilkins)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:34:27 -0400
Subject: [cAos] Problems installing caos 1 with cinch
In-Reply-To: <40902349.4090403@charter.net>
References: <409017B3.1090204@charter.net> <20040428210719.GA31574@nplus1.net> <40902349.4090403@charter.net>
Message-ID: <20040428213427.GC31574@nplus1.net>

On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 05:34:01PM -0400, Jeffrey B. Layton wrote:
> Jacob Robert Wilkins wrote:
 
> I can't browse becasue I don't have X installed or Mozilla.
> The install is just a basic installation.

Any firewalls between you and the internet?

Do you have lynx installed? Or wget? Anything that you could use to test
your ability to make a http connection to the server?


jrw


From greg at runlevelzero.net  Wed Apr 28 15:12:24 2004
From: greg at runlevelzero.net (Greg Kurtzer)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:12:24 -0700
Subject: [cAos] Problems installing caos 1 with cinch
In-Reply-To: <40902349.4090403@charter.net>
References: <409017B3.1090204@charter.net> <20040428210719.GA31574@nplus1.net> <40902349.4090403@charter.net>
Message-ID: <20040428221224.GB10685@runlevelzero.net>

On Wed, Apr 28, 2004 at 05:34:01PM -0400, Jeffrey B. Layton told me:
> >>Hello,
> >>
> >> I took the plunge and tried installing caos 1 on a
> >>new box I bought. I downloaded the cinch iso from
> >>2.0.3. During the install it couldn't find the NIC
> >>even though after the install I could find it with
> >>no problem. Any thoughts? (I know it's not a problem
> >>per say, but it's annoying).

Took the plunge, hrmm? hehe

> I think it's via-rhine. At least that's the module loaded and
> it shows it being used (I need to check this again to make
> sure it's accurate).

via-rhine? Can you send me the vendor:model ID of that card?

I will do what I can to make sure that module is included in the next release
of cinch.

> >> Second, after the installation, I updated the yum.conf
> >>file to point to:
> >>
> >>http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/certified/i386
> >>
> >>I then tried, 'yum update' and got the following:
> >>
> >>retrygrab() failed for:
> >>http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/certified/i386
> >>Executing failover method
> >>failover: out of servers to try
> >>
> >>The reason it gave for the failure is the following:
> >>
> >>error getting file 
> >>http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/certified/i386/headers/header.info
> >>[Errno 7] HTTP Error (CannotSendRequest)
> >>   
> >>
> >
> >Have you confirmed that your network is actually setup?
> >
> 
> Bingo. I can ping just about everything in sight.

What about hitting a different mirror?

> I can't browse becasue I don't have X installed or Mozilla.
> The install is just a basic installation.

BTW, as soon as you have yum working, you can do the following:

   yum grouplist

to see all of the installable groups. A fairly default install will do:

   yum groupinstall base core desktop multimedia network gnome x

That should get you started nicely... :)
-- 
Greg M. Kurtzer
http://runlevelzero.net/
http://caosity.org/
http://warewulf-cluster.org/


From Tom.DeBlende at dhl.com  Thu Apr 29 00:00:25 2004
From: Tom.DeBlende at dhl.com (Tom DE BLENDE (GCC))
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 09:00:25 +0200
Subject: [cAos] Problems installing caos 1 with cinch
In-Reply-To: <20040428210719.GA31574@nplus1.net>
References: <409017B3.1090204@charter.net> <20040428210719.GA31574@nplus1.net>
Message-ID: <4090A809.4080706@dhl.com>


Jacob Robert Wilkins wrote:

>>  Second, after the installation, I updated the yum.conf
>>file to point to:
>>
>>http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/certified/i386
>>
>>I then tried, 'yum update' and got the following:
>>
>>retrygrab() failed for:
>>http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/certified/i386
>>Executing failover method
>>failover: out of servers to try
>>
>>The reason it gave for the failure is the following:
>>
>>error getting file 
>>http://mirror.caosity.org/cAos-1/certified/i386/headers/header.info
>>[Errno 7] HTTP Error (CannotSendRequest)
>>    
>>
>
>Have you confirmed that your network is actually setup?
>
>Do you have name servers in /etc/resolv.conf?
>
>Can you resolve and ping mirror.caosity.org? Can you browse there from a
>web browser on that machine?
>
Have you tried again since then? I was installing a new CentOS 
yesterday, and during the yum update I got the same message. I think 
there was a problem with the site at the time. It must have been around 
10 PM GMT yesterday  when I had this error, but I don't know how long 
the site was unavailable, as I only found out this morning.

Kind regards,
Tom


From clopmz at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 29 14:22:25 2004
From: clopmz at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?User=20lists?=)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:22:25 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [cAos] Hardering cAos (or CentOS)???
Message-ID: <20040429212225.6849.qmail@web50309.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,

  This is my first post in this list. I have been
tested CentOS-3.1 along two weeks. At the moment I
consider to migrate two servers (public servers) of my
production environment, but I have some questions:

a) is it possible to hardering default CentOS kernel?
b) is it possible to apply some security patches like
grsecurity or RSABC (perhaps SELinux)???
c) Is it possible to use any kernel version 2.6.x???

Thank you very much for your help and sorry for my bad
english.


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From ras1 at jamrockmusic.com  Thu Apr 29 16:45:36 2004
From: ras1 at jamrockmusic.com (Jesse)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:45:36 -0700
Subject: [cAos] Hardering cAos (or CentOS)???
In-Reply-To: <20040429212225.6849.qmail@web50309.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040429212225.6849.qmail@web50309.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1083282335.24775.13.camel@bill.jamrockmusic.com>

On Thu, 2004-04-29 at 14:22, User lists wrote:

> a) is it possible to hardering default CentOS kernel?
The CentOS kernel is the same as the stock RHEL kernel, and is heavily
patched already. I have never seen something like a grsec patch apply
cleanly to the existing kernel because of this.

> b) is it possible to apply some security patches like
> grsecurity or RSABC (perhaps SELinux)???
You might be able to use a Fedora 2.0 (2.6) kernel for SElinux if you
really wanted it. Otherwise see "a)"

> c) Is it possible to use any kernel version 2.6.x???
I think some other people on this list have done this, but not positive.
If so, I'm sure they will chime in here.

On a side note I will mention that work is being done on the cAos kernel
right now to include the grsec patch. This should be available vary
shortly (few days). You might want to look at cAos instead of centos
depending on your personal requirements

--jesse



From greg at runlevelzero.net  Fri Apr 30 19:50:36 2004
From: greg at runlevelzero.net (Greg Kurtzer)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 19:50:36 -0700
Subject: [cAos] The ruls of cAos
Message-ID: <20040501025036.GC14031@runlevelzero.net>

The lead developers of cAos have decided to slightly change the emphasis of
the development of cAos so that we can better sustain and develop multiple
versions of the OS at one time.
                                                                                
We would like to emulate the proven model of the development of the Linux
kernel. Linus and the core team work on the cutting edge, and as it
stabilizes it migrates to a maintenance maintainer that is responsible for
fixing problems and minor feature updates. This will better ensure that each
version is feature rich and current, without de-emphasizing the need of
longevity.
                                                                                
Development of cAos-1 will be concluding in 1 week (May 7th 2004) to allow us
to shift efforts toward cAos-2. cAos-1 will enter maintenance mode and will be
handed to a new lead and we expect it to live a productive stable life between
3-5 years. I would like to personally thank Russ Herrold for volunteering to
maintain cAos-1. He has much experience offering long term professional
support to distributions (IIRC, he still maintains RH4 systems).
                                                                                
The final days of cAos-1 development should be used to finish QA'ing needed
packages before the feature lock. Maintainership of cAos-1 packages will be
transfered to Russ (or deputies appointed by him).
                                                                                
I would also like to introduce Michael Jennings as the buildmaster for cAos-2.
Michael is the principal author of Eterm, Mezzannine and Vermillion (a RPM
based distribution of Linux) that evolved from the VALinux distro (which he
maintained as well).
                                                                                
We anticipate that these changes will help us evolve cAos into an even better
product then it is currently. Thank you once again to all of the developers 
and contributors.
-- 
Greg M. Kurtzer
http://runlevelzero.net/
http://caosity.org/
http://warewulf-cluster.org/